Good news on the WI Spa incident

"“Even if I was the worst person in the world, you’re allowed to access the facility [of your gender],” Merager says, adding that she is legally female in California. The state’s civil rights law prohibits discrimination based on gender identity and gender expression. However, Merager says the law is insufficient because trans people could be criminalized on accusations of indecent exposure for being nude in changing areas or spas."

"Merager accuses “Cubana Angel” and the other women of lying to police and being motivated by hate."

"“They’re having a tough time tracking me down. That’s good. They’ll find me when I turn myself in,” Merager said."

"Whenever that happens, Merager expects to be jailed in a women’s facility."

Wi Spa suspect still at large — has history of indecent exposure and masturbation

nypost.com/2021/09/17/wi-spa-suspect-still-at-large-has-history-of-indecent-exposure-and-masturbation/

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tub where i was with my daughter my six-year-old daughter who was naked and the person with the penis sat down on the edge of the hot tub with uh just fully on display with
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his genitals fully on display

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this other woman said um you know they spoke to this person about covering up but they refused

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and she was like nude and this person wasn't making any attempt to look like a woman whatsoever

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they walked in with the most entitled attitude almost like spreading their legs on purpose

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and yesterday i went to the protest and i saw them being violent to all these normal people and ripping signs out of their hands and throwing things at them and attacking people who were taking video who weren't on their side

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their signs were ripped up and they were attacked and you don't get to see that on the youtube videos because antifa beat up all of the videographers on the other side and highly edited their videos

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so that all you see is like religious uh fundamentalists and like preachers and like really religious people but that's not that's not everyone that was there they chased off normal women and moms and they were setting fires and yelling really offensive things

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the way it's being portrayed this isn't about being a homophobe or a transphobe or whatever

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there's literally little naked girls running around in that locker room

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and there are people who just by saying that they're gender fluid or trans are taking advantage and coming in with their penis hanging out and they're not at all oppressed they are walking around with an entitled attitude

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there's little children naked little girls and uh people who come in claiming to be trans maybe they are maybe they're not but with full penis and everything and sometimes a beard coming in to hot tubs with small children so that's it

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i don't know if anyone will see this i
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don't do twitter i don't do facebook i
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don't have a following
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just thought i would post it thanks

I don’t think gender ideology is left wing in any way.

The only cross over is that liberal concepts of tolerance (people should not suffer discrimination because they are gender non conforming) and left wing concepts of equality have been exploited to support what is basically a right wing libertarian/men’s rights argument - people should be able to do whatever they want to do.

It’s the same line of thinking that spurred the settlers across the prairies and allows people to carry guns in supermarkets.

There's a difference between economic and social left.

There's also the issue, that as some of us get older and more experienced, we become 'conservative' around wanting to preserve the systems that we know protect us. It can be a battle between tearing down systems that no longer reflect society and maintaining the ones we need.

I've noticed that lots who are in favour of removing woman as a class are in positions where they don't need lots of those protections - they aren't women themselves, or they don't have children, are not economically vulnerable. Or they don't have the experience to understand why the systems are in place.

Reading that Spiked article made me feel really... Dunno, glum.

Once upon a time I was a Leftie, and I drifted more to the centre for all sorts of reasons, not all of them well-examined. And here I am, finding myself agreeing whole-heartedly with an article that pillories the Left.

Because the Left has abandoned women. Woke points matter more. Honesty is unimportant. The Left and Centre are off their tits on KoolAid.

I am, currently, politically homeless. Thanks, guys. Thanks a bloody bunch. I have no idea who I'll vote for next time. But not you, not a snowball's chance in Hell.

That's an excellent piece by BON, Corgi

We sometimes allow for the kinds of safeguarding protections you mention, and other times we don't - in fact we would say it would be seriously immoral to discriminate on some basis, despite statistical reasons that might make it seem sensible.

How we differentiate those things is important.

The point being that under a democratic system where the shots are increasingly called by special interest groups, and being a member of a special interest group gives political influence, and where being a member of a protected group insulates you from calls for justified discrimination such as in safeguarding - that system creates a huge incentive for people to find all manner of identity commonalities, especially ones that could be perceived to be disadvantaged in some way.

Brendan O'Neill of Spiked has a good piece on the utter pathetic-ness of the liberal media on this:

www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/07/the-wi-spa-scandal-is-worse-than-we-thought/

Either way, even if they have their cake and eat it they still have to admit that self ID is ludicrous and dangerous when men, sex offenders can use it to offend.

This is because they feel that sex offenders should be able to self ID as they want to, express themselves, and that female people experiencing the offences and the lifetime harm it often causes is not something anyone should be bothered by.

This is a newspaper that does not believe in the right of females to refuse male people sexual access to their bodies or to see sex as something involving their choice, consent and mutual pleasure. Their actions repeatedly demonstrate that they don't see female people as fully human or as having justifiable purpose or lives of their own outside providing for male need. Especially they appear to disdain the ones who have not attempted to identify out of this position of subordination by taking on another gender.

Once you've reached the 'stop gatekeeping your vagina and learn to cope with sex with male people' from the group who purports to stand for the rights of homosexual people, there's not a lot of point in expecting any sense from them on anything else.

What about women and girls get sexually attacked all the time so what's the problem.

That's a popular and particularly lovely one.

Well sure but I think it's very important too remember that 'oh they weren't really trans' is an easy out.

People who believe in self ID can't have it both ways.

What I got from pink news article is that they are arguing that this man is has been a victim all this time by transphobic women and transphobia in the LA police. That he's just using the womens facilities and getting unfairly reported and charged each time. Their second article, they clearly state on their fb post that the charges are bullshit.

I don't think it's up to anyone outside to assume gender here.

It's an apparently prolific sex offender with a penis.

I imagine that those who are vocal about gender> sex would hate for anyone to assume this person is a man.

They are what they say and had every right to be there. That's important.

They did list their previous and pending convictions/ cases.

I was surprised at that.

Just had a look at PN piece.

They have for who knows what reason misnamed the person charged. Using only their middle and surname. Their first name is Darren. Why not give their actual name?

Most peculiar.

It's just about prioritising men.

For those paid up to all this. Fully paid up. There's nothing that could happen that would change their minds.

Sadly that's what's going on.

What alarms me is that even though the victims at wi spa have been vindicated by this man being charged pink news are still calling it bullshit. They haven't really said much but its clear now that they know they were wrong and they know this injustice isnt right but they don't care and will go any distance to defend their precious ideology no matter how many rapists and paedophiles use self id. This ideology is their cash cow and admitting they were wrong will set in motion an unravelling of this ideology. This scares the crap out of more. Theres nothing more damaging and dangerous than indifference. Theres so much money behind the trans brand.

She should have kept her mouth shut and moved it on.

Starkey is an aresehole.

I mean people spend their time (money?) to listen to this sort of thing?!

Exactly like the office twat. 'Fuck's sake Brian, there's no need for the Spanish Inquisition - no-one has been taking your milk. Just use mine...'

The way we decide which way of thinking to use when is often not all that well thought out by most people. It's often done intuitively.

Safeguarding isn't decided intuitively by individuals as they see fit, we have rules that we all have to follow. Peter Tachell, it seems, wants to allow men - any man - to identify out of their sex and thereby remove any of the established safeguarding policies that depending on knowing someones sex.

It doesn't really matter if someone has good reasons to hide their sex, by doing so they are removing sex-based safeguarding.

She's like that dick head everyone hates at work because they piss all over everything and everyone stopping anything ever being achieved. Just making everything miserable all the time because of their own peculiar mental problems.

In that clip Penney accuses someone of all sorts apparently for no particular reason other than advertising her own ideological purity; can't take any criticism back; gets all flustered about whether stuff really did or didn't happen but then says it did but for good sound ideologically pure reasons; tries to play the ball not the man a number of times and then resorts to saying it's all horribly violent. It's like every Twitter trans spat ever, made into a live event.

And the voice sounds affected and put on but if it's not I apologise to her for the literal violence of finding her voice really annoying.