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The look at me of pronouns

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Ritascornershop · 01/09/2021 18:14

Recently I’ve had two interactions that have startled me. One was with legal aid (I’m in Canada) where the young lawyer rang me and said “Hello this is Thomas from xx, my practice is x and my pronouns are he/him.” Just in case I thought someone with a male voice and whose name was Thomas might like me, when speaking to him, to refer to him in the third person as she/her. I laughed and pointed out that as I was speaking directly to him, his pronouns wouldn’t be relevant.

The other interaction was after I’d written my member of parliament’s office asking for an answer on something I couldn’t get a Ministry to answer me on. 3 months later I finally got a reply suggesting I contact that Ministry 🙄 and signing off “Benjamin Lastname, he/him, Useless Twat, Your MP’s office”.

I replied telling him it was useless information that should not have taken 3 months to cough up, and I didn’t care what his pronouns were and I wasn’t going to proffer mine as doing so for women tended to increase sexism in professional interactions.

Is this as rampant in the UK? It just seems so unprofessional and so “look at me!” I’ve no interest in how they hope people refer to them when they’re not there, I just want answers to my questions that they are qualified to provide.

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Binglebong · 01/09/2021 21:14

Saw it in the wild for the first time today. Depressing.

MissDollyMix · 01/09/2021 21:13

One of my colleagues has put she/her/hers across her profile on Zoom. it irritates the hell out of me on meetings because why would her pronoun suddenly change once it becomes possessive?? It's like I'm suddenly back in a primary school grammar class! I wasn't about to refer to my colleague as she/her/his!

KittenKong · 01/09/2021 21:09

Luckily all my colleagues know me. ‘Aye f* off ya bam’ would be my response.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 01/09/2021 21:08

Our diversity guidance suggests all meetings should start with introductions including pronouns all round.
Obviously nobody's read the guidance because it's yet to happen in a meeting I've been at. Even one led by HR.

AltitudeCheck · 01/09/2021 21:06

I love cats 😻

FrancescaContini · 01/09/2021 21:05

@Ionlydomassiveones

It tells you that they are not critical thinkers or that they are being coerced by their woke captured organisation. They are insidious and a threat to women’s rights. Anybody with an ounce of integrity would not willingly use them.
Totally agree
KittenKong · 01/09/2021 21:00

Cats know...

TanquerayTickles · 01/09/2021 20:54

[quote Fitt]This is the best response.

[/quote] I'm pretty much a lurker but I literally can't stop watching this. It's the funniest thing I've seen for a long long time, the cat knows Grin

Well played, Fitt

NewlyGranny · 01/09/2021 20:50

We keep being told it's transphobic to ask someone their sex or gender, yet somehow it's OK to ask everyone for their pronouns. How does that square, or am I asking a daft question?

EarthSight · 01/09/2021 20:33

@KittenKong

In Scottish - so bit address me as:

Hen Kong fae Glasgae, if you please

@KittenKong

There you go - a new pronoun for you. Please use it....if you dare!

EarthSight · 01/09/2021 20:32

@MrsFin

I'm Welsh!
Then please use it with abandon!!!

I would really love to know the result of that.

minipie · 01/09/2021 20:28

On the plus side, the more middle aged people working at big boring corporates start to do this, the less cool and appealing to teenagers it will become.

Niconacotaco · 01/09/2021 20:26

I follow Look Fantastic on IG. They started adding pronouns a few weeks ago, but I've realised that they add them when tagging people who don't have pronouns on their own profiles.

BuggertheTabloids · 01/09/2021 20:25

My name can apply to either a male or a female (spelling identical). I work in a male dominated field and I really like that no one knows I am female until they actually meet me. So I really do not want to add pronouns to my email!
In any case it adds nothing to professional interactions so just why?

Fitt · 01/09/2021 20:25

This is the best response.

Kanaloa · 01/09/2021 20:20

Also, why do they say she/her or he/him anyway? Anyone with a vague grasp of English grammar knows that she and her go together, you don’t need to say both.

TheWeeDonkey · 01/09/2021 20:19

@Jaysmith71 Didn't they like wearing women's clothes and hanging round bars?

KittenKong · 01/09/2021 20:18

The only reply is ‘of course you are’. I will just demand that no one references me when they are not in my presence.

Kanaloa · 01/09/2021 20:13

To me the weirdest ones (which I’ve seen in uni email signatures) is she/them or he/them. What does that mean? Do you want to be she/he or them? Or she sometimes and they sometimes. You might as well say Jane, quavers/wotsits for the amount of sensible information I get from that.

hamstersarse · 01/09/2021 19:55

It’s a really special kind of narcissism mixed with virtue signalling that has become endemic.

DS16 started college today and someone introduced themselves to him as “Chloe. She/her”

So it’s now happening offline too. I dread the day this happens to me…totally impossible not to eyeroll. Can get away with an eyeroll at an email while wfh

ArtemesiaK · 01/09/2021 19:47

My DGD (I hope that's the right term) has they/their on her Instagram. She's just turned 15. What's the grown-ups' excuses? It's lucky I'm retired, I would be really digging my heels in over all this nonsense!....

KittenKong · 01/09/2021 19:24

In Scottish - so bit address me as:

Hen Kong fae Glasgae, if you please

MrsFin · 01/09/2021 19:23

I'm Welsh!

EarthSight · 01/09/2021 19:19

@MrsFin

I'm thinking of adding he/him, or zi/zey or something else ridiculous to my email signature and a) see if anyone notices b) see if anyone actually changes the way they address me.

I might just change them at random too, cos, y'know, gender fluidity rocks!

@mrsfin You might want to use fae/faer, although, unless you are Scottish Welsh or Irish, you might get done for cultural appropriation. There are people arguing about that point online, I kid you not.
EarthSight · 01/09/2021 19:16

@TheMissingMango

We finally get away from emails addressed to 'Dear Sirs' (cos a woman couldn't possibly do the job) and now we have to announce that we're women to people who don't care or need to know. Yeesh.

Yours (be) kindly,
TheMissingMango
she/menstruator/atheist/uterus/owner/Aquarius

@TheMissingMango Can you imagine what they would say if you said you passionately identified with being Aquarius and would like to out that in your signature??