A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

Glinner describes the incident here, if anyone is interested.
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/one-step-closer-to-hell

Then he went on to say:

"While we were waiting, someone approached and said two women who had been watching with interest were ex-prisoners at two Scottish jails. Donna Henry told me there was a man in the last prison she was in. She could hear him having sex with another inmate in an adjoining cell. “It happens in Greenock, it happens in Stockdale. One was in Perth, he did a lot of his time in Perth, runs around in pigtails and all that. We have to share showers with them.”

Another scandal in plain sight, lying unnoticed while the authorities rifle through Marion Millar’s Twitter account, looking for rude words and thought crime. Scotland is heading to a very dark place indeed. But as Marion’s supporters today proved, it won’t get there without a fight."

Those women are probably under 40.

Does anyone at the BBC care about their opinions, or are they the wrong kind of young women?

Young women are more enthusiastic about gender ideology than older women. In most polls that I've seen, young women are the most likely of any cohort to support men in women's change rooms, sports, etc.

I have a number of young (20-30) cousins and the female ones are passionate supporters of all things 'trans': pronouns in social media profiles/emails, recommendations of Judith Butler books (ugh), have divested themselves of Harry Potter related stuff, etc.

I've never understood how it suddently became the default position in the media that if young people say something is right then it is right.

It's definitely the case that older journos and media people (as well as academics) are running scared of their young colleagues. I think we see a lot of preference falsification on the part of anyone over 35 in the media - they are worried that if they don't signal the 'correct' views, they'll be tossed aside as irrelevant. This is a recent shift that has occurred over the past 5-6 years. When I worked in journalism back in the 00s, we young 'uns were scared of our older senior colleagues. We feared raising their ire, and wanted more than anything to gain their respect. Now it seems the dynamic has reversed, and it's not for the better.

There are many, many occassions when young people (through lack of experience and emotional exploitation) are wrong. Anyone remember the scene from the film Cabaret when the Hitler Youth group sing Tomorrow Belongs to Me?

University students also played a major role in the cultural revolution in China. Young people tend to be utopian in their thinking, which sometimes leads to political programs to rid the world of ideas and, eventually, people they don't like. Milan Kundera describes this dynamic (which he took part in as a student) in The Book of Laughter and Forgetting:

I too once danced in a ring. It was in the spring of 1948. The Communists had taken power in my country, the Socialist and Christian Democrat ministers had fled abroad, and I took other Communist students by the hand, I put my arms around their shoulders, and we took two steps in place, one step forward, lifted first one leg and then the other, and we did it just about every month, there being always something to celebrate, an anniversary here, a special event there, old wrongs were righted, new wrongs perpetrated, factories were nationalized, thousands of people went to jail, medical care became free of charge, small shopkeepers lost their shops, aged workers took their first vacations ever in confiscated country houses, and we smiled the smile of happiness.

I'm 36. Am I old?

It's more that a small number of feminist women were the only ones prepared to say anything publicly at the start.

The feminist thing is a point. Used to saying things that people don't want to hear/ will attack and dislike them for.

Don't follow that sorry.

It's hardly only young people who do consumerism. I'd be interested to know why you think that?

The BBC is not paid for by advertising.

Not sure what you're getting at with the Dr who thing either! I'm not particularly keen on the latest series. Just googled though Jodie Whittaker is 39. That's not super young surely!

In general so much attention is paid to young people because they tend to be willing to spend what money they have on stuff that they don't need and are going to jettison in a week to buy more stuff they don't need. That is, advertisers love them. This attitude has crept into every aspect of life now—games, films, TV series, all aimed at kids. Look at Dr Who: started out a grandad in the 1960s, soon he (or she) will not be legally old enough to vote, drink, get married... or transition.

It's not that old people are the only ones who agree. It's that older people are the only ones with the courage (or lack of give-a-fuck-ness) to speak up.

I have three adult children. None of them agree with gender-woo. None of them are willing to talk about it in real life.

As they get older they will get bolder.

With all this stuff it's useful to have evidence though.

Both perspectives on this topic tend to be picked apart and it's better if there's a record.

I mean it's got to the point where even if there's a hi Definition recording time stamped and taken by I dunno. The Pope. It's still somehow not true.

The WiSpa incident demonstrated this particularly well. And in the end the things said by some people who are not randoms. To try and make it not anything to care about. Were eye opening and really concerning tbh.

Anyway.

Yeah middle aged women are old and old women are rubbish.

And it was a woman who said it!!

I don't think after getting sued and all that stuff about sexism/ ageism they can have forgotten it entirely!

Age is a protected characteristic.

One of the ones that the Beeb forgets about...

Women who are around and over menopause age have always been disliked by/ perceived as a threat to men.

For a variety of reasons.

The fact plenty are young is irrelevant. It's witches prudes man haters etc etc ie women who speak up more and have had enough of men's shit. And if het don't need one to procreate any more iyswim.

Note that plenty of the vocal blokes who are enraged by women saying no are hardly in the first flush of youth...

Over 75s don't have to pay the licence fee.

Should they be dropping the age threshold for free TV licences to 35, at least for women?

I still wouldn't be eligible yet but it would be something to look forward to.

I'm 37, I guess that's not far off decrepit according to the BBC. I have been an active reader/listener of this debate since I was 30, I guess.

Quite glad I don't have live TV or pay the licence fee

Three teens in my house. Two of them proper gobshite feminists. One male. All three think this is fucking appalling. None of them watch BBC News, or pretty much any current BBC output, including the most excreble BBC3 shite. (Notable exception being Jerk, especially series 2 episode 1, with a hyper-woke student, which my 17 year old said was like watching a documentary about her most annoying acquaintance.)

They share their firebrand version of plain speaking with their friends, and more than one friend has spent much time in my home chatting and gone away understanding the issues well enough to raise them elsewhere.

So crack on Beeb, with your blinkered misogyny, and I'll carrying on raising the next generation of feminists who will talk fondly of watching Doctor Who before it was shite and ask didn't it start in that media company we used to pay a fee to just to have a telly?

Tick tock, Auntie. Obsolescence awaits you a hell of a lot quicker than it'll reach feminism.

So what. Do women over a certain age (whatever that is) not get a say in who is placed in hospital wards with them, and who gets to use communal changing rooms and public toilets with them?

Are they going to be given a tax rebate in recognition of this?

Besides, as I have frequently observed on this board, I am a millennial (I've got a rotten ripe avocado in the fridge right now!) and I am younger than both Owen Jones and Jameela Jamil. If they count as young, so do I.

It's the cult of youth. It's not only a problem for this issue or women, either. For certain people who think they are progressives, if it looks like older people are for something more than younger people, it is evidence that the opinion of the older people is passe, conservative, and wrongheaded.

Just look how some people treated the age demographic difference with regard to the Brexit vote.

One of the reasons misogyny is so successful is that the more knowledge and experience a woman has, the less likely is she to be listened to.

This. Women can always be dismissed by men, there is always a way for them to keep a claw hold of their power.

I'm 33 and have been following this crap for the past 7 years roughly.

I have never paid a telly licence fee and don't ever intend to.

the angle could be anything
Obtuse, probably