A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

Haven’t RTFT thread yet but just to say I am 27. The MN radicalisation portal got me young

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The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech. Because Marion Millar's case is only partly about feminism and the trans issue - its significance is that it is about the right of the state to silence opinions they don't like. Anyone who cares about the right of citizens to voice their opinions freely should be supporting Marion.

Indeed. A question I would love to ask the TRAs and get an actual answer to is...what happens when something comes along that you DON'T agree with? Are you going to stand up against the crowd and say so? Or are you fully aware that they will all come after you then, because that's how this works. You'll be at the receiving end of abuse.

It's all well and good clapping along with the intimidation and silencing of women because they are on the 'other' side, and are with the in-group. But if this is how we deal with differences of opinion now, how long until something happens that you profoundly disagree with, but are too scared to speak up?

And is that the kind of society you want to live in?

Whatever the topic for debate, if we allow this intimidation and silencing to continue, it harms all of us. They think they will somehow be protected from it all, but they won't be.

The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech.

Mary Harrington has a take on this in her latest Unherd article reviewing Shon Faye’s book. She suggests it could be the unforeseen result of widespread institutional childcare from a very young age. Also references the ‘matricidal’ tendencies of second wave feminism, which she thinks is a starting point for transactivism.

Regardless of whether you agree with her broader theory, it’s a good read:

unherd.com/2021/09/the-trans-war-on-motherhood/

I wonder if male supremacism makes a big deal of women being invisible, useless, pointless once past their fertile peak is not actually because they are no longer sexually attractive, but because as women get older and wiser they become less compliant, stronger and more vocal.

It's easier to advocate on behalf of your children than yourself.

I can handle the things I've survived. I'm damned if I'll let my daughter have to face them without fighting tooth and nail.

So dismissing women post middle age might be less a calculation of their fuckability than a way to try to minimise and defuse their growing power.

The BBC wouldn't have asked these young people into their airwaves, good job GB News did.

Here are some more young women, these are just a handful of examples. Are they young enough for the BBC Journalist? (I hope whoever they are is reading this but somehow I doubt it!)

twitter.com/camradfems/status/1367446758834462720?s=21

It's definitely the case that older journos and media people (as well as academics) are running scared of their young colleagues. I think we see a lot of preference falsification on the part of anyone over 35 in the media - they are worried that if they don't signal the 'correct' views, they'll be tossed aside as irrelevant. This is a recent shift that has occurred over the past 5-6 years. When I worked in journalism back in the 00s, we young 'uns were scared of our older senior colleagues. We feared raising their ire, and wanted more than anything to gain their respect. Now it seems the dynamic has reversed, and it's not for the better.*

Sounds like we have similar backgrounds Donkey and this is a good observation. We may well have feared raising the ire of our elders, LOJ would just try to get them fired 😂

Always an angle or an agenda despite claims of impartiality. We were on a CND march once and a bbc camera guy was shadowing us for quite a while. One woman said ' Ooh we might be on the 6 o'clock news!' An old bearded anarchist who was marching in front turned around and said ' Nah , you haven't got a purple Mohican or a bone through yer nose.' We made a point of watching later. The footage was more or less as he had predicted. With GC ppl they flipped the narrative around - they must all be elderly conservatives frightened of progress 🙄

The BBC can do one, I will be cancelling my TV licence, don’t need to hear any more of their gas lighting, social engineering toxic shite.

So glad I don't bother paying my licence fee. I've ensure my parents don't pay for theirs either.

There seem to be a lot of young people making a lot of noise in support of gender woo, but I don't think there's anything like a majority supporting it.

Agree. The minority who support it are very very vocal, while the majority who don't mostly keep their views to themselves. I wonder why that is? Gosh, could it be anything to do with the fact that those of us who do express our opinion get a load of abuse hurled at us and risk ending up in court?

I’m 21 and they can fuck right off with their ageist bollocks.

Young people in many instances can be wonderful. But I have just been looking at a photo of the thousands of tents abandoned after Reading festival, so not all of them are wonderful all the time! Sorry, bit of a sidetrack there.

There seem to be a lot of young people making a lot of noise in support of gender woo, but I don't think there's anything like a majority supporting it. When the whole 'superstraight' thing happened earlier this year it seemed to be mostly young people taking delight in declaring their superstraightness.
I think that like those of us who are old most young people - especially males - either don't know or don't care.

That also stood out to me in the glinnermail.

A large GC facebook group recently polled its members and the majority are millennials, with a sizeable zoomer contingent. Boomer women were actually in the minority.

Anyone drawing conclusions about the make up of the GC movement based on who can be at a protest/rally in the middle of a weekday should think about things young women might have like jobs, small children and no money to get to bleddy Scotland.

Honestly.

From a young woman with work commitments.

"All over 30..."

Sounds like the audience for Radio 1.

And while the Hitler Youth were singing along, the Oxford Union voted in favour of the motion that 'This house will not fight for King and Country.'

There are many, many occassions when young people (through lack of experience and emotional exploitation) are wrong. Anyone remember the scene from the film Cabaret when the Hitler Youth group sing Tomorrow Belongs to Me?

Exactly. The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech. Because Marion Millar's case is only partly about feminism and the trans issue - its significance is that it is about the right of the state to silence opinions they don't like. Anyone who cares about the right of citizens to voice their opinions freely should be supporting Marion.

Older men do get dismissed too - ‘gammons’ etc.

But so many are keeping their heads down. My teens both think it’s all rubbish, but can’t say anything. I have had individual conversations with friends, and only met one ‘be kind’, but even they didn’t think anyone had changed sex, but that we need to ‘be kind’ to these fragile beings who can’t handle reality.

The BBC doesn't have advertisers but - ask anyone who has dealings with it - it is obsessed with young people. It's terrified of young people not watching it and, therefore, not paying the licence fee once they leave home. It's why so many of their shows actively alienate the older audience they do have in order to attract younger viewers who won't watch them. It's asinine. As I said upthread, old people die but young people also grow old. The youth audience the BBC is chasing will have different views and habits in a few years time.

Ageism is deplorable

Seems to be allowed free rein on MN though

'Old' is a poor choice of words! Old is subjective and likely to offend. I guess not many of us are exactly 18 but I'm sure there's a fair few in 30s which most people wouldn't consider old unless they are only 20 themselves. I work in a hospital everyone is young until they're about 70

I am 32.

I can't imagine them saying this to a political movement that was predominantly older men (there are many). Older men are to be taken seriously.