Crowdfunder for Giggle App suspended by Kickstarter

This is ridiculous.

It is completely acceptable for apps to cater for specific religious groups, so that eg Muslims who only want to date other Muslims can use an app that is tailored to their needs.

I used to work with a lot of women of Somali heritage, for whom as well as a religious match, they wanted to date men with a shared cultural heritage, so that they had a shared native language and traditions. No-one would have looked kindly on an atheist signing up to one of these apps and forcing their way into a date with one of these women against their explicitly stated preferences. It infuriates me hugely that lesbian women are not afforded the same dignity and respect.

You get some marks for scattershot snark, but I've marked you down for the quality of the segue into LGB Alliance. Too clumsy.

The 'pink means girls then' thing was passable, but you could have added spice with a reference to the 'giggle' branding more broadly.

All in all, as deeply unconvincing as expected, and not really addressing why it would be controversial to have a women-only dating app for lesbians. But then, you've made it quite clear you agree that sort of thing is a problem, so not too surprising.

Can't they get some cash off the LGB Alliance? They seem to have very deep pockets.

To be clear, I hope they find another funding source, Kickstarter's decision seems unfair as I agree with the arguments that there should be apps for people of colour, or trans men only, or dating sites for people who like a man in a uniform (is that one still going?). Not everything has to be 'inclusive' if you want only a section of the market and that's the selling point. But as far as I can see, rightly or wrongly, the history of this app involves controversy, and Kickstarter don't want any hassle.

Kickstarter are probably worried about any negative attention or controversy that would damage their brand so always stick to super-safe options.

So, you are not concerned at all that the business is being discriminated against in this way? You cannot see that if it was an app just for trans people and was rejected in this way that there would not be a case for discrimination as well? Why are double standards allowed in 2021?

Who gives a fuck what colour the app is? It could be Sal G's favourite colour for all I care.

It is an app for all women, not for GC women. no... it is an app for all females if I remember correctly.

And yes, I have watch the founder get 'educated' by those who argued that males should have access to the app. She took some time to research and then took the decision that it should be a space for females only. Probably in part because of the style of the demands of 're-education' that she received.

Nice that an app for GIRLS is all PINK eh? Very GC

It's not an app for GC women, it's an app for all women.

My opinion is there's nothing wrong with the app's purpose, comparing it to a lesbian club night, but Kickstarter are probably worried about any negative attention or controversy that would damage their brand so always stick to super-safe options.

Nice that an app for GIRLS is all PINK eh? Very GC.

I believe that's roughly accurate, yes. If excluding lesbians and their dating apps was proportionate to some specific aim for Kickstarter, and they could make that argument, then they could do it.

But they currently claim to be general-purpose. But deem lesbians to be "promoting discrimination, bigotry, or intolerance towards marginalized groups", apparently.

Take the cock, bigots.

Effectively applying Equality Act-like logic - saying you can't discriminate on sex - but then saying you DON'T get to have exceptions for any purpose (like being a space for lesbians) - and then doing a ju-jitsu flip and saying anying anyone trying to apply exceptions is being a hateful bigot, so they get to discriminate against you.

So lesbians are out.

Also case by case means the situation as a whole. So you review the case for having a service for gay men that excludes lesbians.
It does not mean you review it every time an individual wants to access the service which I think is how a lot of business interpret it (and then assume it is too complicated).

However if you run a hotel open to the general public then there isn’t provision in the equality act to exclude lesbians.

Women who peak must be punished.

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There have been various debate threads about how "women-only" Giggle is in the past, before that one. Maybe PP was thinking of one of those other threads. There has been some confusion because it originally was transwomen-inclusive.

Then they realised the problem that was causing - with not being able to be a properly women-centred space with males demanding attention. Also the accusations of "transphobia" when they tried to address the problems males were causing without an outright ban.

I recall discussions with Sal Grover in Reddit's r/GenderCritical while she was trying to figure out how to deal with this.

She is now quite vocally GC, even though she wasn't originally, and she's obviously trying to capitalise on the situation - when accused of transphobia, lean into it and be unapologetically female-only. Market on that basis - particularly to the GC crowd.

What is not what it seems? You're going to have to spell this out, I'm afraid. Giggle has been quite open about who they are. That thread doesn't shed any new light.

Perhaps they didn't read the whole thread

There are other ways to raise money to expand your business, or get a bank loan.

So the Equality Act, banning discrimination by individuals towards various protected groups was unnecessary, I guess?

If a company chooses not to serve particular types of customer, like lesbians, that's not an issue, because there are other companies who would?

[quote SW1amp]Have a read through this thread…

All is not what it seems…

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3982978-Giggle-app-for-girls-only[/quote]
What is not what it seems? You're going to have to spell this out, I'm afraid. Giggle has been quite open about who they are. That thread doesn't shed any new light.

Giggle is unapologetically a space for women and girls. Is that what you have a problem with? Or is it something else? Specifics would be appreciated.

Nothing stopped them, the app is and working. They wanted to expand, needed more money and kickstarter turned them down. There are other ways to raise money to expand your business, or get a bank loan.

What is your point? There are plenty of start ups raising funds to expand their business on kickstarter. It's one of the options along with getting a bank loan.

[quote SW1amp]Have a read through this thread…

All is not what it seems…

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3982978-Giggle-app-for-girls-only[/quote]
?

So a female only app, aiming to expand to include a dating section in response to females losing access to other female only dating apps, is rejected from crowdfunding attempts and poster are quite ok with this discrimination against the app’s owners?

The double standards just continue to come out. That an app exclusively for females should be having restricted access to funding options compared to other apps seems to me to be like we have wound the calendar back decades. It is abhorrent to think females are not allowed to set their boundaries, but it is just as chilling to see people handwave this away while still self describing as feminists.

why did kick starter turn them down though?

Have a read through this thread…

All is not what it seems…

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3982978-Giggle-app-for-girls-only

Hopefully they will improve it by using the word women throughout the app instead of girls when they get the funding.

File this under 'Of course you're free to have your spaces/boundaries/sexuality but we will stop you saying or doing anything about it'

Also known as 'Your only option is to submit'

Rainbows! Sparkles! Love! Inclusive!

My fuckin' arse.