Do we have it anywhere on record that Stonewall does/does not support people to express their sexuality as exclusively homosexual?

Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources

yes.... the actual pics of the posts, and more than 6 people's anecdotal stories can never have the reliability of 6 males that are heavily invested in ignoring it happens.

It is n+1. Always n+1 before women are believed and issues taken seriously.

Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources,

Lesbians on the receiving end of this are unreliable sources, their stories are anecdotal, that's a hair breadths away from what is so frequently said about rape victims.

Actually I'm glad someone who is so misogynist, homophobic, a victim blamer and sails so close to repeating rape myths has placed me on some special 'Ignore List', I wouldn't want to be within a million miles of them.

Imagine having the choice between roundly condemning reprehensible, homophobic coercive behaviour or dismissing it as nothing really important, if it’s even happening at all, and choosing the latter option

I can’t help but wonder when the kids go back to school…..

I’m grateful for the sunlight though!!

YOU are in fact, demonising a whole group, right there.

Yup.

Twitter is full of extremists, they may say things like that

The point remains and it has been stated repeatedly. Where are the community members working to support the victims of these alleged 'extremists'? You claim LGB Alliance is a hate group, yet you cannot provide evidence why. Yet, they at least are trying to give support to those lesbians, and now gay men, so that they can restate their boundaries.

Boundaries that you agree they should have, but can provide absolutely no evidence that currently Stonewall or your six influencers are working with lesbians and gay men to be able to state. Instead, you support that any person who is same sex attracted has to have their speech controlled and to not choose to show that they support an organisations that in turn supports them. In fact, you have repeatedly told us that if a shirt is worn, the person is asking for all the abuse and hate that the group proudly dish out.

but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits. Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources, I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story whipped up by GC to smear trans people. Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself.

YOU are in fact, demonising a whole group, right there.

The complete hypocrisy of that post is outstanding.

I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that anyone else cares what your personal take on it is. We have provided lots of evidence from lesbians that this is happening. You have listened to six male people who assert that it isn't. Your choice to believe or not.

If I had a portfolio of minimum wage workers reporting health and safety violations at the factory where they worked, but six people from the multinational conglomerate's board said there had been no H&S violations, should I believe those six board members?

Oh definitely, especially if they posted it on their YouTube channels.

Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself

I love the scent of DARVO in the arvo.

I refer to the point made earlier - trans people are not so different that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you. Twitter is full of extremists, they may say things like that, but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits. Without hard evidence, not a few anecdotal stories from unreliable sources, I will go with what I think most likely, n as I first said, relegate this accusation to another scare story whipped up by GC to smear trans people. Because if there is one thing GCs are famous for is not giving a toss about the truth when a lie may be more effective. You brought that on yourself.

you have made your homophobia and misogyny crystal clear.

Actually, if someone is believing the take of 6 males who are heavily invested in minimising this is happening then it might explain why the homophobia and misogyny doesn't register.

What strikes me is the entrenchment that if lesbians are telling you that this is homophobic, why anyone would take the 6 male's opinions over women without question?

It is blindingly clear that if you immerse yourself deeply enough you might simply never see it. It is so terrifyingly dangerous to think that some people will do this and will actively prevent the situation from improving. Because male's told them it is not happening. Or females who feel they cannot speak freely without losing their community.

Had enough of your nonsense, you're on my ignore list from now on

Aaw I'm broken hearted, broken hearted I tell ya, that someone who cannot string a coherent argument together, counter the points made, or provide evidence to back up their assertions is ignoring me. However will I cope.

And have these prominent males ever admitted that it even happens? How have they responded to the websites that have been set up with the evidence of it actually happening?

And finally, have they ever come out and said, look we see that this is happening and we call on those doing it to stop? Ever?

You have based your posts on these people's opinions because why? They are 'influencers' so they must be right?

If I had a portfolio of minimum wage workers reporting health and safety violations at the factory where they worked, but six people from the multinational conglomerate's board said there had been no H&S violations, should I believe those six board members?

and that is exactly what LGBA are advocating. Your disingenuousness is off the scale.

Ah, but when Bilinda "advocates" for it (really, really quietly in a Mumsnet thread where no transwoman will tell her off), she's doing it as a good person.

When LGB Alliance advocate for it in public, they're only doing it to cover for their hateful bigotry. And Bilinda will say so to impress those transwomen.

Or do I need to find prominent lesbian youtubers?

I don't think any amount of lesbian youtuber accounts will be as convincing for Bilinda as the assertions of MTF trans people.

You have been provided with bucket loads of evidence on this thread of what is happening to lesbians and now gay men, their own testimonies, screen shots of what is being said and six a whole six tell you their claims are ridiculous and you believe them rather than the evidence right in front of your eyes.

We've got the message BilindaB, you have made your homophobia and misogyny crystal clear.

And that refers to my agreement that the MALE LGB activist, there to cause trouble, was rightly removed by the gay, lesbian and trans Pride event, as he was promoting a trans hate group. Anyone turning up to Pride wearing t-shirts that are anti Gay, Lesbian or Trans should be made to leave.

Do you know what the letters L, G and B stand for?

A group that advocates for L, G & B is not a trans hate group. You have already conceded this (which is very big of you and super generous):

Lesbians who only want born female Lesbians should have their spaces.

and that is exactly what LGBA are advocating. Your disingenuousness is off the scale.

I'm not speaking for them, I am reporting that I see no evidence that the majority of trans lesbians are demanding lesbians have sex with them, and have heard many prominent trans women (I follow about 6 on YouTube) all said this claim was ridiculous

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

I think the views of lesbians, the demographic being victimised, are more relevant here.

It's interesting that you just needed to weigh up the competing claims of transwomen on social media and lesbians on social media, and you decided a sample of six transwomen were more convincing. Even though I'm sure the Lesbians at Ground Zero study with statistics was posted in this thread.

I wonder why that is.

If I find transwomen agreeing that lesbians are being persecuted, will you believe it then? Or do I need to find prominent lesbian youtubers?

Lesbians who only want born female Lesbians should have their spaces.

Do you think all those "prominent trans women" agree with you that female people should occasionally be allowed their own stuff? You might be in for a shock.