Do we have it anywhere on record that Stonewall does/does not support people to express their sexuality as exclusively homosexual?

I'm also on a forum with lots of trans people.

Uh-huh. This is THE most surprising thing I have read today.

''I hope Bilinda it is a forum where trans people discuss positive ways to support lesbians and their rights to speak out against those 'extremists' that you mentioned before. Maybe when you are there, you should mention that lesbians have in fact shown proof of their abuse and coercion so, you know, it is actually happening and since it is just a small group doing it, it would not require much effort to show 'vast majority' support for lesbians and get that group to stop the abuse.

I do feel like I had this conversation with a PP back during Lesbian week, was it you? If so, I am sure both lesbians and gay men would appreciate trans people not looking the other way while they are attacked. I cannot speak for them, but every little bit helps.''

I'll see what I can do.

So I am guessing that those lots of trans people on this secret forum that BilindaB is part of regularly and routinely speak out against the extremist TRAs, that BilindaB has acknowledged exist, and routinely and regularly speak up for lesbians and their right to be exclusively same sex attracted and their right to have dating apps and spaces exclusively for themselves.

I am sure we will be treated to the evidence of this as it is such a cornerstone of BilindaB's case.

''Lesbians can say that they do not want to sleep with transwomen but cannot say that this is because they are same sex attracted, because this is hurtful and bigoted.''

You're thinking of another poster with that charge.

I do feel like I had this conversation with a PP back during Lesbian week, was it you? If so, I am sure both lesbians and gay men would appreciate trans people not looking the other way while they are attacked. I cannot speak for them, but every little bit helps.

Sounds about right to me, every woman I know has has experienced a least one of the three, including me.

So why are you merrily assuring us that everyone is sickened by the idea of sex without enthusiastic consent, so all trans people must be too?

Flying flamingos, join the dots, please.

So just to clarify BilindaB's views -

The many anecdotal accounts (and a report from Get the L Out) about lesbians experiencing coersion to accept transwomen as sexual partners are unreliable and in fact are part of a lie made up by GC feminists. There are 6 transwomen active on Twitter who say that coersion is not happening so that means it isn't.

Lesbians can say that they do not want to sleep with transwomen but cannot say that this is because they are same sex attracted, because this is hurtful and bigoted.

Lesbians can have their own single sex spaces but organisations set up to facilitate this are hate groups and should be removed from LGBT marches and other events. In fact, a trans specific sign or t-shirt is fine but not one with the name of a reputable (as confirmed by the Charity Commision) charity.

By BilindaB's reckoning, there are only 3000 active GC feminists in the UK but those 3000 have somehow 'whipped up a scare story' despite being heavily censored by media outlets and social media platforms.

''The other thing that wouldn't get changed in that magical machine, is probably misogyny. That is a trait that never seems to change once it has developed, and it develops very early in some males.''

Quite possibly!

Do you ever read any feminist content? For example, the content that might drip-feed concepts like "people's clothing does not justify hurting them, take responsibility for your hands" and "rape is a massive off-the-charts problem".

What about watching the late Magdalen Burns? Her videos are still on youtube. Or Arielle Scarcella.

Right. Secret sources aren't all that helpful, though, in this context.

.... I imagine it gets 'floated' a great deal in forums for trans people.

The other thing that wouldn't get changed in that magical machine, is probably misogyny. That is a trait that never seems to change once it has developed, and it develops very early in some males.

What's the forum, Bilinda?

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits

The group being... males? How dare feminists impugn our society, eh?

extract

New Study:'I thought it was just a part of life'
Understanding the Scale of Violence
Committed Against Women
in the UK Since Birth

Over 22,000 UK women told VictimFocus about their experiences of violence and abuse.

This dataset is the largest and most comprehensive record of violence committed against women and girls in the UK.

99.7% of our sample had been repeatedly subjected to violence including assaults, harassment and rape.

Only 0.3% of women had only been subjected to one violent incident or less.

Our initial findings in this report suggest that current statistics of the prevalence of violence against women have been underestimated for decades, and instead, it is likely that every woman and girl will be subjected to violence, abuse, rape or harassment. In the vast majority of cases reported here, women were subjected to multiple crimes and the perpetrators were overwhelmingly male

www.victimfocus.org.uk/womens_experiences_violence_abuse_study[/quote]
Sounds about right to me, every woman I know has has experienced a least one of the three, including me.

ContraPoints (amazing)

well that's one word for it.

I also read Medium, which has a lot of content from trans people.

I'm also on a forum with lots of trans people.

but to say it is a widespread problem is to demonise a whole group as entitled shits

The group being... males? How dare feminists impugn our society, eh?

extract

New Study:'I thought it was just a part of life'
Understanding the Scale of Violence
Committed Against Women
in the UK Since Birth

Over 22,000 UK women told VictimFocus about their experiences of violence and abuse.

This dataset is the largest and most comprehensive record of violence committed against women and girls in the UK.

99.7% of our sample had been repeatedly subjected to violence including assaults, harassment and rape.

Only 0.3% of women had only been subjected to one violent incident or less.

Our initial findings in this report suggest that current statistics of the prevalence of violence against women have been underestimated for decades, and instead, it is likely that every woman and girl will be subjected to violence, abuse, rape or harassment. In the vast majority of cases reported here, women were subjected to multiple crimes and the perpetrators were overwhelmingly male

www.victimfocus.org.uk/womens_experiences_violence_abuse_study

I watch

ContraPoints (amazing)
Kat Blaque
Jessie Gender
Philosophy Tube
Samantha Lux
Katy Montgomerie
Sam Collins (ftm)
Miss London
Jammidodger (Ftm)

Check 'em out.

Has anyone clarified yet

1. why same-gender attracted people get a named sexuality but same-sex attracted people just get to say "no thanks" on a case-by-case basis? I'm still not clear on why gender is automatically more relevant than sex . Equally relevant to different people I could understand, but a blanket more relevant to absolutely everyone I don't. Would be great to have that explained.

2. Given that apparently they do, why from a gendersist perspective was essential that they took the names already in use for same-sex attraction rather than coin new terms?

Thank you

I refer to the point made earlier - trans people are not so different that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you

Let's take that apart.

trans people are not so different
True. They're just people, like everyone else. Some are male people, and some are female people.

that they don't understand that you don't get to demand who has sex wih you

You're taking it for granted here that it is universally understood that you don't get to demand that.

A lot of male people really struggle with this concept, and as already covered "trans people are not so different" from other people.

Did you know that Dr Jessica Taylor found that 50% of women had woken up to a male partner performing sex acts on them while they were asleep?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/husband-had-sex-asleep-didnt-realise-rape/

Hahahahahaha, This board is the DARVO capital!

Well this is meta. Double DARVO accusation from a DARVOist.

Before you go Bilinda, can you please tell us the 6 that you draw your knowledge from?