Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

Public and private institutions are running away from Stonewall like it is a sinking ship

Why is that, do you think?

And the "fear" of the LGBA isn't really a fear, it's just disagreement. And there are no efforts to "have it shut down", just efforts for it to be deregistered as a charity (because, as you will know, you can be an organisation without being a charity).

And that is why it is not inherently the case that anything that happens to someone who professes to support LGB Alliance is homophobic.

It can be! For instance if someone assaulted someone wearing an LGB Alliance hoodie who didn't know who LGBA were and simply attacked the person because they thought they were gay, that would be homophobic assault.

But if the aggressor knew who LGBA were, and yelled at the person because they disagreed with their support for the aims and focus of LGBA, that is not homophobic, because that comes down to a disagreement on views, not a hatred of the person for simply being gay.

If it’s down to interpretation, then why was this wearing of the hat being deemed by some as an act of transphobia? Why is supporting this group deemed by some as transphobic?

If someone is aware of LGB Alliance and interprets them to be supporting the rights of gay people rather than an attack on trans people, then by your own same logic, the wearing of the apparel or supporting the charity was not, and is not, transphobic. Have I understood you correctly or?

I know many of the people minimising this would do actually the same if the poor guy had been punched or kicked. Because they did it with Maria McLachlan's assault at Speaker's Corner. I'm not sure who certain people on this thread think they're convincing.

So if the exact same scenario happened to someone wearing a Mermaids t-shirt and hat you think it would just be reported as a 'disagreement on views'?

You don't think anyone on social media or in the press would call it a transphobic attack?

Everyone would just say " No big deal, just a political disagreement"

If you really think this then I have a bridge to sell you!

I can't believe this argument is still raging honestly. If a gay man can't assert hes gay and proud at Pride, then theres something fucked up at Pride. Maybe they need to start an alternative Pride and go back to the basics of standing up for the rights of homosexual and GNC people.

Let Pride keep its corporate floats, heterosexual queers and dog and baby fetishists to itself.

You're right, the LGBA has very little influence as well! I am simply suggesting that people who think Stonewall controls what "TRA"s do and sets the policy agenda for the trans movement in the UK are mistaken

No. It's you who are mistaken. Either deliberately, or you have walked into a debate attempting to defend a position you know nothing about.

Which is it?

You're right, the LGBA has very little influence as well! I am simply suggesting that people who think Stonewall controls what "TRA"s do and sets the policy agenda for the trans movement in the UK are mistaken.

So why the fear of the LGBA and the concerted efforts to have it shut down?

If you think Stonewall are not influential throughout Government, public and private institutions you are seriously deluded.

If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

For goodness sake, the average three year old has managed to learn that you don't snatch things off other people in the street regardless of whatever reason you may feel you have for doing it.

If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

Yes that might be true. But following on from that, snatching the hat with the LGBA logo on it, from a gay man, would signify that the person hates the LGBA. Which is an organisation for same sex attracted people. Thus it would be more than reasonable to assume that the reason they did that is because that person has an aversion towards same sex attracted people.

But that isn't what it said. To many people, "LGB Alliance" means "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier". It doesn't simply mean "yay for gay people!"

Ignorance is no defence. It might be best if these individuals educated themselves if this is how they move through life, ignorant of the facts, yet aggressive. I hope that person presses charges against them for a homophobic hate crime / harrassment and at the very least, technical assault.

they don't simply issue commands and every single TRA sit back and listen

No one thinks they do. Think you have it the wrong way round.

If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

But if Boris Johnson campaigned specifically for the rights of gay people to reject demands that they enter heterosexual relationships, I think the impression would be that the problem was with the belief, not the person.

I think you also need to think a bit more about how people date these days. It’s often through apps so there is plenty of opportunity to mislead, but also a need to narrow down potential partners. You can’t do that if the app company has been told it’s transphobic to discriminate by sex.

But that isn't what it said. To many people, "LGB Alliance" means "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier". It doesn't simply mean "yay for gay people!"

and that give them a right to assault someone does it?

It can be! For instance if someone assaulted someone wearing an LGB Alliance hoodie who didn't know who LGBA were and simply attacked the person because they thought they were gay, that would be homophobic assault.

But if the aggressor knew who LGBA were, and yelled at the person because they disagreed with their support for the aims and focus of LGBA, that is not homophobic, because that comes down to a disagreement on views, not a hatred of the person for simply being gay.

To many people, "LGB Alliance" means "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier"

That's a silly and disingenuous understanding of what it stands for. If trans activists advocated for being able to lock everyone up who didn't agree with them, and LGB Alliance said no, they would also be "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier". It completely depends on how reasonable you think the demands of trans activists are, and as we can see, opinions differ.

Stonewall are far less influential than they were ten years ago, and they don't simply issue commands and every single TRA sit back and listen. I don't even know who the head of Stonewall is anymore.

So if you think Stonewall with their multi million pound income, tax payer grants and considerable reach in the civil service and private sector are not very influential why all the panic about the LGB Alliance, a fledgling org run on a budget by two lesbians?

Surely if a huge org like Stonewall has little influence then the LGBA will matter even less?

Stonewall are far less influential than they were ten years ago, and they don't simply issue commands and every single TRA sit back and listen. I don't even know who the head of Stonewall is anymore.

Your ignorance is your own problem. Bored with the mansplaining now. Bye.

But that isn't what it said. To many people, "LGB Alliance" means "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier". It doesn't simply mean "yay for gay people!"

But to many people, that’s exactly what it does mean.

that so-called gender critical beliefs

There's the give away so-called. Posting in good faith, yeah right.