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Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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merrymouse · 31/08/2021 21:14

Anything visibly supporting anything other than Trans is automatically bad?

Not quite. Supporting the wrong kind of trans person is very bad.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2021 20:55

What did the deleted post say?

GromblesofGrimbledon · 31/08/2021 20:51

This video is a joy for anyone interested in Polari

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 31/08/2021 20:13

Talking of "right type of..." style nastiness, a trans activist today was attacking gay men (James Dreyfus, Dennis Kavanagh, Alexander Bramham, the man who wore the hat) and accusing them of having "gay face", whatever that is.

Then castigated them for opposing conversion therapy.

twitter.com/Lungbarrow1/status/1432739769256185857?s=19

SchadenfreudePersonified · 31/08/2021 20:11

[quote nauticant]As an aside, I was amused to see that Alex Bramham, the victim of the bullying, is responsible for this:

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=polari.app&hl=en_GB&gl=US[/quote]
Kenneth Williams and Hugh Paddick used to speak Polari in their "Jules and Sand" sketches in Round the Horne - they were hilarious
Grin

Sorry if anyone's ready mentioned this, but she people have tried to justify the bullying by saying that not only is Alex Burnham transphobic, and the "wrong kind of gay", but he voted Tory.

Honestly - you couldn't make this stuff up

DevonTF · 31/08/2021 19:50

Pride lost their way when they started adding letters etc. You have to be the 'right type of gay'. In 2019 - Manchester Pride was accused of racism, which they accepted was true - The event's chief executive Mark Fletcher said he was "sad to say" he was "all too aware of discrimination that is still facing LGBT BAME people in alleged LGBT safe spaces in Manchester".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-49491431

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 31/08/2021 18:32

To me, a boring straight middle aged woman, the rainbow and pride were a symbol and an event to show support for LGB people

They used to be. But now they’re danger signs for us Hmm

GromblesofGrimbledon · 31/08/2021 18:14

@NorthernNic

Anything visibly supporting anything other than Trans is automatically bad?

Trans 101. Your certificate is in the post.

NorthernNic · 31/08/2021 17:49

Thank you, I am getting there with this then. To me, a boring straight middle aged woman, the rainbow and pride were a symbol and an event to show support for LGB people which is why I cannot comprehend why this man was treated like this.
This is very much like how the billboard advertisement of the definition of female was taken. Anything visibly supporting anything other than Trans is automatically bad?

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2021 17:30

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 31/08/2021 17:27

@NorthernNic

Bear with me, I'm getting there but I want to show my workings out .. Was the T welcomed into Stonewall because they are a marginalised group or because of their sexuality? Because if it was the latter then the T is a superfluous letter surely? They are already represented by being L,G or B? Or, and I think I can hear the penny dropping in my own head they need the T because some are hetero?
Many are indeed sexually attracted to the opposite sex. I think you will find this very relevant.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3815501-Conservative-Men-in-Conservative-Dresses-2002-article

GromblesofGrimbledon · 31/08/2021 17:24

@NorthernNic

Bear with me, I'm getting there but I want to show my workings out .. Was the T welcomed into Stonewall because they are a marginalised group or because of their sexuality? Because if it was the latter then the T is a superfluous letter surely? They are already represented by being L,G or B? Or, and I think I can hear the penny dropping in my own head they need the T because some are hetero?

and I think I can hear the penny dropping in my own head

Remember the sound of that penny dropping whenever you have doubts about this.

Yes, the T has nothing to do with sexuality. That is why it has nothing to do with LGB and why there are so many homosexual people now distancing themselves from the trans cause.

The T has opened the floodgates for all manner of ridiculous self-identified genders and specialities. Any heterosexual person can now nudge themselves into the pride rainbow family with claims of being "agender", "grey gender", "Demi sexual", "non binary", "gender fluid" and an ever expanding list of other invented identities.

It makes an absolute mockery of the LGB cause and allows any heterosexual person to call themselves "queer".

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2021 17:20

It wasn't because of sexuality, Nic. 'T' is to do with 'identity' - nothing to do with sexuality. Trans people can be any sexuality.

NorthernNic · 31/08/2021 16:55

And I do apologise in advance if I've offended anyone, I am genuinely trying to understand here.

NorthernNic · 31/08/2021 16:52

Bear with me, I'm getting there but I want to show my workings out ..
Was the T welcomed into Stonewall because they are a marginalised group or because of their sexuality? Because if it was the latter then the T is a superfluous letter surely? They are already represented by being L,G or B?
Or, and I think I can hear the penny dropping in my own head they need the T because some are hetero?

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 31/08/2021 15:32

Even Wikipedia say that Wikipedia shouldn't be relied upon as a source, so....

Congressdingo · 31/08/2021 14:45

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
But as of me reading up to about page nine, you've presented a wiki page. I mean its wiki, even I could edit it and til the next person comes along to edit it, my version will stand as the truth. It's a bit of an odd evidence point. I think we all mean something meaty, something that you can point to and state unequivocally that's true. Got anything like that or just hearsay?
Abhannmor · 31/08/2021 14:14

Or perhaps she always defers to men?

dyslek · 31/08/2021 11:47

Crazy Sal is so hilariously clueless, I do actually believe she would lose a debate with Mike Tyson. Grin

dyslek · 31/08/2021 11:45

SH definatly an attention seeking arsehole trying to incite violence against an academic she has zero chance of defeating were they ever to debate.
Just though the image of her losing an interlectual debate to Mike Tyson was funny (mainly due to it being entirely plausable)

dyslek · 31/08/2021 11:41

@Helleofabore

Or, merrymouse, it could be that SH feels that Tyson is such a superior debater if SH has had to concede points to Tyson in the past. So would like to see Tyson’s superior debating skills take apart DocStock’s arguments which SH feels is so inferior to her own.

It could be that SH wants to feel that she is not the only one to be outclassed by Tyson’s nuanced thinking and insights.

I think you might have it there Grin
allmywhat · 31/08/2021 11:40

@NotBadConsidering

Horrible tweet. The implication of violence is clear.
Shouldn’t she be reported to her university? I appreciate that SH understandably feels ill-equipped to match Kathleen Stock in debate or any other kind of intellectual exchange.

However, publicly wishing violence on a fellow academic isn’t an appropriate way for Hines to cope with feeling challenged. Wouldn’t it go against most university’s social media policies?

Helleofabore · 31/08/2021 11:39

Yes Floral. You are absolutely right. There is no excuse for the violence implied by that tweet. In fact, I would hope that SH's employer will see it for what it is.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2021 11:31

Debate Mike Tyson? What a really weird thing to say.

Giraffe19856 · 31/08/2021 11:12

The comments on pink news are shocking. Fascism? Really?

Im horrified by all of this, its the wrong direction. Im fine with including trans folk, i dont give a fuck how others want to identify but gender ideology is awful, damaging to women and plain incoherent.

How is LGB without the T a hate message?