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Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 19:03

I'm speaking to a number of gay men who are horrified and quite contrite that they hadn't really noticed what has been going on. We always knew this was coming, but it's no comfort that it has.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 29/08/2021 19:03

The Quaggersx has an x on the end so I say wanted the name but it's already taken so put an x on the end.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 19:02

Although as any Quaagar Warrior knows it should be double A actually

I'm not a Quaagar warrior. Hope this helps.

I don't think there is a point, Quaggersx (BTW, you're not the other quaggers, are you? They had a very different perspective on all this.)

Is there another Quaggers? I didn't realise. Whoops.

Nellodee · 29/08/2021 19:01

I really enjoyed the thread "Does anyone ever think that we might be the bad guys?"

I loved the level of introspection the posters on here apply, the challenges they make to their own perspectives.

No reason for pointing that out. Just struck by a stray thought.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 19:01

And its the tiger that came to tea and paw patrol 😳

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 19:01

@Mollyollydolly

Watch Free Speech Nation at 7pm on GB News. Being discussed on there and as a bonus Julie Bindel is on too.
Watching
catzwhiskas · 29/08/2021 19:01

Where were other gay men who know the difference between same sex attraction and bloody gender nonsense? Have they stopped going to pride as most lesbians have? Perhaps know most gay men will see what we have been talking about for years. Is this going to be enough to turn all those who keep quiet to see what is going on? I hope so.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 19:00

I don't think there is a point, Quaggersx (BTW, you're not the other quaggers, are you? They had a very different perspective on all this.)

Mollyollydolly · 29/08/2021 18:59

Watch Free Speech Nation at 7pm on GB News. Being discussed on there and as a bonus Julie Bindel is on too.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 29/08/2021 18:59

Off topic sorry but Quaggersx cool name by the way
Although as any Quaagar Warrior knows it should be double A actually Grin

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 29/08/2021 18:58

Honestly, I want transallies to bring really good points, solid research and great evidence. I really do, because it baffles and upsets me that intelligent people are supportive of any wild claim and silly theory, and will go to such lengths to argue that a gay man brings bullying on himself

Absolutely

And in my opinion we have had posters on here with informative posts, they are prepared to listen and debate…i mean not loads of them obviously but there have been some that have made me read other articles and think

But we don’t seem to have them quite so much…and i do not believe that they have been hounded off, I honestly think they are too embarrassed about being linked to other ‘similar’ posters to come back on

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:58

Can I become a transgender lesbian?

Lesbians are same sex attracted. Not same gender.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:58

Can I become a transgender lesbian?

No. HTH.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:57

Transgender not necessarily gay and gay men not always effeminate.

Sorry, what's the point you are trying to make?

AustralianDad7 · 29/08/2021 18:57

@FloralBunting

Well, for the avoidance of all doubt, only women can be lesbians, and male people are never women, not even if they really want to be or truly believe they are. So, no, 'transwomen' cannot be lesbians.

If a woman is transgender, that is she is female and believes she has a gender identity that over-rides that, she may be a lesbian.

But there are no male lesbians. Ever.

Call me transphobic. I don't fucking care, because disagreeing with what I've just written is dribbling, knuckle-dragging homophobia and I'll stand against it anywhere you care to name.

Can I become a transgender lesbian?
Sophoclesthefox · 29/08/2021 18:57

Of course gay men are not always effeminate and transgender and gay mean different things- one involves gender identity and the other involves sexuality.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:56

@littlbrowndog

Mob violence
That is heartbreaking.
AnnieSnap · 29/08/2021 18:55

If I wear a Tee shirt with the slogan ‘This Is What a Feminist Looks Like’, does that make me transphobic? Actually, scrap that so many non-prejudice comments mean a person is transphobic apparently 🤷‍♀️

AustralianDad7 · 29/08/2021 18:54

@Quaggersx

What exactly will these gay men wake up to? Being more feminine?

The sustained attack on their safety and their protected characteristic. What on earth has being more feminine got to do with it?

Transgender not necessarily gay and gay men not always effeminate.
Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 18:54

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
Evidence? 😂😂😂😂😂
littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 18:54

Mob hate. Two bit thugs

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 18:52

Mob violence

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
RedDogsBeg · 29/08/2021 18:52

@BilindaB

There's no point present further evidence and proof to those who already know they are primarily an anti-trans group, but they like that, but won't admit it.
You haven't provided any evidence.

Again:

What rights are LGBA stripping from trans?

And:

What is so abhorrent about an having an organisation that advocates for and supports those who are seeking to have their legally enshrined rights to same sex or other sex attraction upheld?

Explain how supporting the rights of those who are L, G, or B and who are sexually attracted to others on the basis of sex is anti trans.

You wouldn't be saying that trans are owed sex and should be provided with it irrespective of the orientation of the person they want it from, would you?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:50

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Perhaps you would like to read this from the website.

extract
9th May 2021.

(by Dermot Kehoe).

On this day 10 years ago I lost David to acute Pancreatitis. I have been touched today by the number of people who’ve contacted me to say how much he meant to them, how much they miss him and how he is still in their thoughts.

I’d like to use today to draw attention to one of the issues he cared deeply about.

David, who was the first out gay MP from Scotland, was a patron of LGBT Labour and Chair of the All Parliamentary Group on HIV and AIDS. His last overseas trip as an MP was to Uganda (you can see him in the top left of the picture above if you look closely enough!) to support the work of Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG). David had been horrified by the murder there of a young Ugandan teacher and gay rights activist David Kato.

He spoke out against what was to become the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act of 2014 which enshrines a punishment of life in prison for “aggravated homosexuality”

This month Uganda passed further criminalisation laws against gay people – despite already being illegal and unconstitutional.

For that reason, I’d like to reproduce David’s speech in Parliament from 2010 on the murderous homophobia faced by lesbians and gays in Uganda:

“If I may borrow a phrase from Harold Macmillan and amend it, the wind of oppression is blowing through the African continent today, an oppression aimed largely at young gay men and women. It has become a much more pressing issue; and although it is not confined to Africa, it is in Africa that that dehumanising and brutal oppression is occurring on this very day.

“We are aware of the notorious private Member’s Bill tabled in Uganda by David Bahati that proposes the death penalty for people who are HIV-positive and engaged in homosexual activity, life in prison for everyone else who engages in homosexual activity, and seven years in prison for people who counsel those who engage in homosexual activity. It is, as I said, a private Member’s Bill, and the Ugandan Government have distanced themselves from it. None the less, even without the Bill, it will be illegal to be gay in Uganda, and punishable by 14 years in prison. The President of Uganda has said that homosexuality is “alien”. In the last year for which figures are available, the United Kingdom Government gave £71 million in aid to Uganda.

“It is not only on the ground of sexuality that countries oppress rights. As we heard from the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr Donaldson), some countries oppress people on the ground of religion, which may be rooted in differences of creed or race. If our international aid budget is rooted in our humanity, it does not come value-free, and it does not come free from a sense that the humanity of everyone must be respected.

“I have not even mentioned the utterly disastrous effect these policies in Africa are having on the rise in HIV and AIDS. If someone who thinks they might have HIV is told that to be homosexual is to be worse than a pig or a dog and is punishable by 14 years in prison, why would they come forward? What possible reason would they have to seek medical help and the method to prevent the spread of HIV? We are funding anti-HIV and AIDS programmes in countries with policies that do nothing to stop HIV and AIDS, and instead contribute to their spread.

“This is a big job for the Government. I do not pretend it is the most important thing on the plate of incoming Ministers, but it is important to millions across Africa whose fundamental human right to be gay or lesbian is being brutally oppressed by regimes. I look to the Government to give a lead by setting out what positive action we can take when our denunciations are brushed aside and doing something about this appalling miscarriage of human rights.”

lgballiance.org.uk/2021/05/10/david-cairns-uganda/[/quote]
This is from the LGB Alliance's website, by the way.

Sophoclesthefox · 29/08/2021 18:50

@AfternoonToffee

Even GCSE students are told not to use Wikipedia as a reliable source of information.
Exactly.

I’ve got the cringe again.

Honestly, I want transallies to bring really good points, solid research and great evidence. I really do, because it baffles and upsets me that intelligent people are supportive of any wild claim and silly theory, and will go to such lengths to argue that a gay man brings bullying on himself.