Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

Alex was walking along with the rest of the protest, a protest he supported, talking to a friend. Some transactivists took issue with him wearing a hat and t-shirt with the logo of the LGB Alliance, a charity set up specifically to campaign for the issues of note to LGB people, and set upon him, stealing his hat and intimidating him to the point he approached some police officers and asked to be escorted away because he was being prodded and poked, which you can clearly see is still happening by the time the filming started.

As a gay man, I don't know why you wouldn't be appalled by that. Many of the gay men I know are, as I am from a lesbian perspective, having seen similar things happen to lesbians at pride.

The only twisting happening is that gay men like Owen Jones are celebrating this as some sort of moral high water mark for inclusion and progress. I think that's about as twisted as it gets.

The driving force behind the LGB alliance are two women. They have gone from an idea to Charity registration to holding their first conference in just two years. For two women in their 70s to have achieved that at the same time according to you spending the majority of their time doing something else is superhuman.

Maybe rethink your stupid exaggeration and lying about "it".

Sorry, I don't understand this question –I haven't said the guy isn't gay. Me saying "as a gay man" is me saying that I myself am a gay man.

And why an organisation like LGB Alliance would tweet something that lumped Trans people in with bestiality is beyond me. But there we are.

Errm, their tweet about bestiality didn't mention trans people at all 👀🤨

They were objecting to bestiality being added in the + of the alphabet, because some very creepy ''queer theorists'' think that adding that is a good idea...

What's wrong with objecting to it? Bestiality is a criminal offence. I think everyone, not just LGBA, should be shutting that shit down, making it clear that that sort of shit is not welcome in the alphabet...

Sorry, no idea how you quote on here, but @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g:

I think the allies thing is overstated – from my experiences at Pride, a good 95% of people who go are gay/bi/lesbian. So I think it's a fair assumption to make that the people at an anti-commercialisation protest at Pride (which is where the video came from) were themselves gay/bi/lesbian.

On Twitter, people have contorted this into "mostly straight people have homophobically assaulted a gay man at Pride, because he is gay".

As a gay man – how on earth did the former come from the latter? It is totally contradictory to the evidence I have seen.

You've seen evidence that he isn't gay?

Andrea, I have no doubt that you are a worried mum and it is hard to know what is the best way to support your child.

There is a lot of misinformation and poor research into trans medical care. But please be reassured that The Tavistock/GIDS reports that suicide is in fact ‘extremely rare’ among the adolescents referred to it. gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

Please also be wary of ‘transition’ as a panacea. It is easy to fixate on transition as the solution to all problems, but as Kiera Bell found, that is often not the case.

www.persuasion.community/p/keira-bell-my-story

That’s a really important point that no sexuality should be or can be inclusive. Otherwise it’s not your own sexuality, it beings to everyone else. That’s a major flaw in the principle of consent that the ‘inclusive’ fuckwits are trying to ride roughshod over with their demands.
Always good to stand back and think about what some people might stand to gain from being able to tell other people who they ‘should’ be fucking.
Sexual ‘inclusiveness’ is a massively creepy and inappropriate rhetoric. It’s not surprising that it has initially been women raising the alarm about this because we are the group being constantly pressured around sex from a young age. Having boundaries around your sexual preferences and limits is healthy and necessary, being allowed no boundaries and being allowed no agency about who you fuck, (ie the actual reality of ‘being inclusive’) is an absolutely fucking terrifying position for anyone to be put in. Consent is everything, and it’s owed to nobody.

As a gay man – how on earth did the former come from the latter? It is totally contradictory to the evidence I have seen.

Please somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I think atleast one person who you may have perceived to be a gay man actually identifies as a woman.

This irresponsible scaremongering from the trans lobby about suicide is appalling
But it's very important for the 'most oppresses/marginalised/victimised' crybullying narrative.

If it were a charity whose purpose and founding principle were to support LGB people who face homophobia and discrimination in the workplace, to expand LGB healthcare such as PrEP etc, to improve LGB mental health services, etc, I would have absolutely no problem with it at all.

The reason it is controversial – and you know this as well as I do – is because it seems to spend the majority of its time campaigning against new measures to make the lives of trans people easier.

But the word "controversial" is not my point. My point is that the evidence in the video flatly contradicts the narrative on here. Any shouting or unwelcoming behaviour towards this man was because people disagreed with his support for an organisation. It was not "mostly straight people assaulting a man because he is gay".

So it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that for these people LGBTQ+ is set in stone. The fact that UK Stonewall was for LGB people only until 2015 - six years ago! just six years ago - has totally passed them by. They have swallowed whole the revisionist history of the Stonewall riots in NY promulgated by gender activists, and fully believe that trans people led the way and graciously allowed LGB people to benefit from their campaigning. This is all what they want to believe, so that's how things must have been.

Twitter in particular is like that incinerating machine in 1984.

I suppose I am naive and don't understand why people who have already gone through the struggle for rights and equality, wouldn't want to stand alongside those who are a few decades behind them

Stand alongside you say, but that's not what is being asked for is it? The demand is that Trans is placed front and centre and included in everything even that which does not include them because it can't.

I know you won't answer this but I'm going to ask anyway - what rights and equality do trans people NOT have?

But you all have your reasons. And why an organisation like LGB Alliance would tweet something that lumped Trans people in with bestiality is beyond me. But there we are.

Wilful misinterpretation of that tweet, what a surprise.

You claim not to be homophobic yet cannot bring yourself to condemn the assault on a gay man.

The waiting list for the Gender Identity Clinics is currently 3 years. Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof.

I'm hoping I can offer you some reassurance here. The trans lobby seem to weaponise suicide for reasons of their own. GIDS themselves say "suicide is extremely rare."

gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

This irresponsible scaremongering from the trans lobby about suicide is appalling.

Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof.

No, they aren’t. I hope that makes you feel better. One small survey has been used cynically to spread this idea.

I suppose I am naive and don't understand why people who have already gone through the struggle for rights and equality, wouldn't want to stand alongside those who are a few decades behind them.

Stand beside yes (as much as any other human). Accept a redefinition of sexuality that refuses to acknowledge same sex attraction, no.

There were dismissive remarks about somebody who ids as trans on this thread, but because the identity seems to fluctuate and allow him to identify and present as male most (all?) of the time.

Your child certainly won’t get referred to a gender identity clinic in a world where ‘trans’ is just a label to be picked up and cast off like a fashion label, but that is the current direction of progress.

Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof
Any statistics bearing this out?

Why is this a problem? Why does the T so badly want to latch on to the LGB?

This. Both are valid. Both deserve to be safe and protected. But for two groups that have very different needs, why do they need to be pushed together?

This whole debacle is utterly perplexing to me.

The video showed a man (gay man, straight man, whatever) being shouted at by gay men and women at a Pride march because he was wearing the logo of a controversial group. He was told that he was not welcome because of his views, and was subjected to a shout of "trans lives matter". None of them touched him.

On Twitter, people have contorted this into "mostly straight people have homophobically assaulted a gay man at Pride, because he is gay".

As a gay man – how on earth did the former come from the latter? It is totally contradictory to the evidence I have seen.

@andrelax

Can you explain to me what the connection is between men and women who are same sex attracted, and men and women who don't feel happy in their own body and want to chemically and surgically alter it to seem like they are the opposite sex?

I don't see what someone's sexual orientation as to do with someone's feelings of being trans.

That's why LGB and T are not connected.

It doesn't mean that either of these groups aren't "valid". Gay men and lesbian women also have cause to fight for different things because they face different issues in life.

Why is this a problem? Why does the T so badly want to latch on to the LGB?