Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

All the founders and founding members had repeatedly over a long period of time tried to engage with Stonewall who refused to acknowledge their concerns.

So having come to the end of the road with Stonewall they set up on their own as an organisation for LGB people who do not wish their sexuality be redefined for the benefit of others.

So to call them a hate group is basically saying it's hateful to to want to define your sexuality as same sex attracted.

I'm sure at some point they will expand on their primary purpose to wider LGB issues but they are less than two years old, have very limited funding and have had to spend most of their time since inception battling against those who want them shut down and denied charitable status.

The LGBA didn't just appear in a vacuum. They are a direct response to Stonewall blanket reversals of what they originally stood for.

It is homophobic to redefine same sex attraction to same gender attraction & then shout, bully & harass gay men who don’t want to have sex with transmen on account of them being female & not biological men

Plenty of women don't see the need for feminism. That doesn't mean that feminist organizations aren't legitimate.

As a gay man, you don't see the need to counter the Genderist ideas. As a lesbian I do, and therefore completely support the LGB Alliance. Feel free to carry on supporting Stonewall, but I won't because Stonewall have redefined homosexuality as being attracted to the 'same gender' and are campaigning to remove access for women to single sex spaces.

And as I have already pointed out, Alex is being poked and prodded on the video, and was subjected to worse before the filming started.

@Quaggersx: I'm sorry but that is just absurd. He was shouted at for supporting an organisation whose views and campaigns and focus people disagree with – not because he was gay. It was not homophobia, unless the definition has radically changed since I was last called a slur in the street.

Your point about the effort involved in setting it up is of no relevance to discussing what their aims are.

So your unfound exaggeration has now switched to a complaint about aims?

I'm never in a million years going to pretend that a gender identity makes a man a lesbian, and it's therefore a legitimate aim of a new charity begining with L to reach out and support women damaged by the past decade of charity work that has mandated quite abusively that I must.

You are a man on a feminist chat board moaning about two lesbians prioritising looking after lesbians. Maybe there's other places you can whine about not being at the front of the queue.

And what special privileges are trans people asking for?

Seriously? 🤨🧐

[quote JustPassingThrough3]@GromblesofGrimbledon: your post just demonstrates my point though. He wasn't shouted at because he was gay, he was shouted at for the organisation he supports. That is not homophobic. Nor is it "assault". Unless you think I, a gay man, am homophobic because I don't support LGB Alliance.[/quote]

I don't think anyone should be harassed in such a manner for wearing the tshirt of a legitimate charity that supports gay people. He did nothing wrong. It's an event supposedly inclusive of gay people and yet he was hounded out.

LGBTQIA+ has become a nasty club that turfs out all wrongthinkers.

This is how people operate now. Goodies and baddies. And they saw him as nothing more than a caricature bad guy.

We're sympathetic to that on this board because, even for those of us who aren't gay, we get the same treatment for being women who stand our ground and try to salvage our rights from the tide of self-ID.

JustPassingThrough3 and if you want to be supported by the likes of stonewall / Pride etc then that's up to you. It doesn't mean other people don't have the right to be supported by an organisation of their own choosing. Such as LGBA.

I myself am a gay man and don't understand how the actions of the people in Manchester were "homophobic". It was not a comment on the sexuality of the person in the video.

If someone was harrassed or assaulted for waving a rainbow flag or trans flag, would you accept that was homophobic/transphobic?

Or would you insist there was no evidence of that - that they were just being hassled for being part of a controversial group?

@GromblesofGrimbledon: Do you honestly think that this is more harmful to gay and lesbian and bi people than poor access to LGB health services, or homophobia in the workplace or in society, or a whole host of other genuine barriers to equality?

As a gay man, I really truly do not see how making it easier for trans people to simply live their lives erodes my rights as a gay man. Which rights does reducing gender clinic waiting times or counselling waiting times remove from me?

And what special privileges are trans people asking for?

We amplify the voices of lesbians and highlight the dual discrimination experienced by lesbians as women who are same-sex attracted in a male-dominated society.

We work to protect children from harmful, unscientific ideologies that may lead them to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing. Any child growing up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual has the right to be happy and confident about their sexuality and who they are.

We promote freedom of speech and informed dialogue on issues concerning the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals. We assert that different opinions, even those we may disagree with, should be heard as part of the public debate.

lgballiance.org.uk/about/

Taken right off their website. Sounds pretty concrete to me. Where does it mention trans here?

I simply don't see that improving access for trans people to health services, making it easier for those who wish to to transition, and allowing trans people to adopt their chosen identity without having to undergo medical treatment infringes upon my rights as a gay person.

That's nice. But many gay, lesbian and bisexual people disagree, so this group is for them.

[quote JustPassingThrough3]@GromblesofGrimbledon: your post just demonstrates my point though. He wasn't shouted at because he was gay, he was shouted at for the organisation he supports. That is not homophobic. Nor is it "assault". Unless you think I, a gay man, am homophobic because I don't support LGB Alliance.[/quote]
He was shouted at, and a threatening mob whipped up around him, because he is supporting an organisation that supports gay people. Such as himself. Ffs. That is homophobic.

The "evidence" is the video of the incident, which includes no assaults, and no homophobia.

Because the current push for gender ideology and self-ID is damaging to gay men and lesbian women.

The LGBA have this currently at the forefront of their campaign the same way women's rights groups do. There are groups of people who's hard fought for rights are being swiftly eroded by the trans push for special privileges afforded to no one else.

A great many people, and most who frequent this board, agree that this is the fight of our time. No one wants to erase trans people. We want to defend our rights.

I simply don't see that improving access for trans people to health services, making it easier for those who wish to to transition, and allowing trans people to adopt their chosen identity without having to undergo medical treatment infringes upon my rights as a gay person.

What do waiting times at gender clinics have to do with LGBA?

The reason it is controversial – and you know this as well as I do – is because it seems to spend the majority of its time campaigning against new measures to make the lives of trans people easier

No, LGBA is campaigning for the the legally enshrined rights of L, G & B people to be upheld and not to be removed.

If the measures you speak of to make the lives of trans people easier remove rights from others or impact them negatively do you not agree that those who are affected are entitled to raise awareness of this?

@GromblesofGrimbledon: your post just demonstrates my point though. He wasn't shouted at because he was gay, he was shouted at for the organisation he supports. That is not homophobic. Nor is it "assault". Unless you think I, a gay man, am homophobic because I don't support LGB Alliance.

Yes, @Fitt, "it". "It" being the correct word to describe an inanimate object in the third person, such as an organisation.

Your point about the effort involved in setting it up is of no relevance to discussing what their aims are. All six of the campaigns they list on their website are to do with trans issues and the sex/gender debate. If they are an organisation set up to advance the interests of LGB people, then why do they have no campaigns that are genuinely about improving our lives and our welfare?

Owen Jones has completely lost it.

Sorry, I don't understand this question –I haven't said the guy isn't gay. Me saying "as a gay man" is me saying that I myself am a gay man.

You said it was "totally contradictory to the evidence you'd seen". You said you couldn't understand why people's viewed it as a homophobic attack and indeed insinuated in your opening paragraph that you felt he could be straight. So I ask again, what is this "evidence" that you find so compelling?

The reason it is controversial – and you know this as well as I do – is because it seems to spend the majority of its time campaigning against new measures to make the lives of trans people easier.

It campaigns for the rights of LGB people.

And as you well know, the rights of which you speak to make trans lives easier, remove the rights and safeguards of women and children.

Trans people already have rights. Human rights. They don't get to remove the rights and safeguards of other protected characteristics.

There are ways to make their lives easier which don't involve eroding women's rights. But generally this is rejected. Because. Validation.

It was a group of people harassing and shunning a gay man for wearing the tshirt of an organisation that campaigns to support and protect same-sex attracted people. This organisation and its many supporters feel that trans people have a different cause (however valid) to fight, as the rights they seek are often in direct conflict to gay rights. They are also in direct conflict to the rights of other groups of people but that's a conversation another thread.

Pride was once for same-sex attracted people. Now it is for an ever expanding umbrella of "identities" that don't necessarily have anything to do with being gay. Many people in the footage will not be gay. They will be trans, pan sexual, demi-sexual, non-binary, queer, questioning, agender, grey gender... and on and on ad infinitum... a list of identities that have nothing to do with homosexuality.

This man is not the only homosexual person feeling pushed out and replaced by straight people who identify as various flavours of "queer". They turn to LGBA for support.