Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

Who has removed this right? Is it illegal to be same-sex attracted? Is it even mainstream within LGBT circles that one can't be same-sex attracted? It certainly isn't in mine. And not a single trans person I know thinks that it's transphobic or wrong to be same-sex attracted. Where has this view come from?

Are you serious? In a large field of evidence, lets just pick the most recent public example - Lil Nas X said he was definitely gay becauise he liked dick and got a slew of abuse for saying he was being transphobic. I mean, good for you if you've never come across any of the discourse talked about in this article, but it's happening.

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Allison Bailey being accused of transphobia, opposing GRA reform, opposing gender self-id in the census, engaging with EHRC on gender vs sex, opposing aspects of Scottish hate crime legislation to do with sex vs gender).

Allison Bailey is taking her Chambers and Stonewall to court for allegedly illegally discriminating against her as a lesbian who was outspoken on lesbian's rights. The pre-hearing has already happened. Stonewall tried and failed to get it dropped. But apparently there is a reasonable prospect of success.

And what special privileges are trans people asking for?

For a start, there are convicted sex offenders and rapists housed with women in prison right now, because the rapists claim they are women.

A woman who was sexually assaulted in prison took this to court. The MoJ think the risk of women being raped or sexually assaulted when locked up is worth it to spare the feelings of transwomen who have been convicted of rape or sexual assault.

Being given access to imprisoned, vulnerable women when you're a male predator because you say some magic words, is a privilege, not a human right. It's a privilege that activists and lobby groups campaigned for. This is what they wanted.

I urge you to look at their website, then, where the only six campaigns they list are all to do with trans issues and sex/gender issues ("transing the gay away", Allison Bailey being accused of transphobia, opposing GRA reform, opposing gender self-id in the census, engaging with EHRC on gender vs sex, opposing aspects of Scottish hate crime legislation to do with sex vs gender

I literally copied and pasted from their website, and provided a link, on the previous page on this thread. Not one of the points mentions trans

And not a single trans person I know thinks that it's transphobic or wrong to be same-sex attracted. Where has this view come from?

Google ‘cotton ceiling’.

Think about the very large number of people included in the trans umbrella.

Think about men who don’t believe a woman who says no.

Which rights does reducing gender clinic waiting times or counselling waiting times remove from me?

Why should a group set up for L, G & B campaign for that?

@JustPassingThrough3
Oh, and as a gay man, I hope that you’re open to engaging in penis in vagina “front hole” sex, otherwise you might find yourself being called a bigot…or far worse:

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Eh? The one thing the LGBA don’t do is focus on trans issues

I am saying that their "prioritising looking after lesbians" isn't in improving access to healthcare, reducing homophobia in society, or doing anything that substantively improves their lives (or my life as a gay man) – it is simply focusing on trans issues.

But they think that gender identity ideology is homophobic in and of itself. Are you attracted to FTM trans people, as a gay man?

I've been homophobically assaulted, JustPassing and I disagree with you. He was attacked for wearing a logo of a charity specifically for LGB people. That is a homophobic attack. Just because you personally think an LGB organization should only have a focus you agree with doesn't change that.

[quote JustPassingThrough3]@GromblesofGrimbledon: Do you honestly think that this is more harmful to gay and lesbian and bi people than poor access to LGB health services, or homophobia in the workplace or in society, or a whole host of other genuine barriers to equality?

As a gay man, I really truly do not see how making it easier for trans people to simply live their lives erodes my rights as a gay man. Which rights does reducing gender clinic waiting times or counselling waiting times remove from me?

And what special privileges are trans people asking for?[/quote]

I don't see why people think they can police what others see as the most pressing issues they want to campaign for.

TRAs are fighting for rights when they already have the same human rights afforded to them as anyone else.

Of course, this is not good enough. They want children to be allowed to self-ID without parental consent. A move currently being pushed here in Scotland by the SNP. They demand access to "healthcare" which amounts to cosmetic surgery when other people are waiting in the same queues of a crippled NHS for life-saving treatment and surgeries. They throw around bogus statistics of suicide. They demand access to women's spaces: refuges, rape crises centres, domestic abuse shelters, changing rooms, etc. When women fight to keep these spaces they are branded bigots.

Trans "rights" are in direct conflict with the rights of other groups and they are not willing to budge or compromise. They have no interest in campaigning for third spaces and would rather push and push and push into the spaces of others who now find themselves clawing back what they once had.

Several posters on here seem to think that I support Stonewall and that it's an either/or situation. As it happens, I don't agree with a lot of what Stonewall have done recently (and, importantly, they don't definitively define what the definition of 'gay' or 'lesbian' or whatever is).

If you disagree with Stonewall, it doesn't mean you have to agree with LGB Alliance. I would love an organisation that actually grapples with the real issues gay and lesbian and bi people actually face, without thinking that it has to be a battle against people who want to improve, for example, access to trans healthcare services.

It is homophobic to redefine same sex attraction to same gender attraction & then shout, bully & harass gay men who don’t want to have sex with transmen on account of them being female & not biological men

Quite.

allowing trans people to adopt their chosen identity

This is the problem.

Nobody needs rights because of an identity which is an amorphous subjective concept.

However people really do need specific rights and services because of sex. (I can explain more if you can’t think of an example).

Because of this it is essential that legislation and policy recognise sex.

I honestly don’t understand why this is a difficult point for people to grasp. I do understand that trans people find reference to their sex distressing, but that doesn’t mean it is right or harmless to insist that trans women are women in all situations, or to silence any discussion of gender.

I am saying that their "prioritising looking after lesbians" isn't in improving access to healthcare, reducing homophobia in society, or doing anything that substantively improves their lives (or my life as a gay man) – it is simply focusing on trans issues. That is inherently controversial at the moment.

[quote JustPassingThrough3]@Quaggersx: I'm sorry but that is just absurd. He was shouted at for supporting an organisation whose views and campaigns and focus people disagree with – not because he was gay. It was not homophobia, unless the definition has radically changed since I was last called a slur in the street.[/quote]
He was shouted at - and assaulted - for supporting an organisation that supports gay, lesbian and bisexual (and trans) people who are same SEX (not gender) attracted. It is woke homophobia. If you’re too blind, or unwilling, to see it, that’s your choice. However, the fact remains that a gay man was assaulted at gay pride for supporting a charity that supports gay people. In 2021.

As an aside, do you think Trans Pride and trans charities are homophobic for not cantering gay people?

The video showed a man (gay man, straight man, whatever)

Justpassingthrough

Please stop being so disingenuous. Can you manage to make whatever point you imagine you have to make without it? The video was homophobic because the man was showing that he supports the LGB Alliance, and as has already been discussed at length in this 700 odd post thread that you just happened upon, the LGB Alliance are a registered charity catering for lesbian, gay and bisexual people who don't agree that gender identity issues should be lumped together with sexual orientation by default and that LGB people can't advocate on their own behalf without the unrelated issues of the T taking priority, as they often do. Much like gender critical feminists don't believe gender identity issues should be the focus of feminism/women's rights.

@GromblesofGrimbledon: I certainly agree with you that it was too aggressive and I don't support that aspect of it. But there has to be a distinction between aggressive behaviour and "homophobic assault". This was not the latter. It makes a mockery of those of us who have been homophobically assaulted to say so.

So, are you saying he was asking to be assaulted, based on what he was wearing?

This is a twitter statement from the man.

I wasn't "kicked out of @ManchesterPride". Still very much attending and welcomed. Police acted proportionately in the face of assault and theft. Officer advised to report the incident by calling 101 and action was to protect me. Police don't take sides and didn't here.

I was assaulted and property damaged. Was entirely peaceful and respectful of everyone’s rights and personal space. The police were exceptional and professional, clear it was for my personal safety.

Someone grabbed his hat off his head before the police escorted him away from the mob. Unless trans activists have telekinesis, someone clearly touched him, didn't they?

combatting homophobia in the workplace, etc.

How can you combat homophobia anywhere when you remove the right of people to be same sex attracted?

I simply don't see that improving access for trans people to health services, making it easier for those who wish to to transition, and allowing trans people to adopt their chosen identity without having to undergo medical treatment infringes upon my rights as a gay person.

Well good for you, how nice to be able to dismiss the negative effect it has on others because I'm alright, Jack.