Page 10 | Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 2021-08-29T07:21:29+00:00

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen. Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look? The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though. Unedifying, to say the least.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/08/2021 15:15

And if you read the posts of many people on this thread, they disagree.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:14

A qualified lawyer?
Then explain why what happened was NOT common assault...

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg

When have I said they shouldn't be able to have a charity or a group?

Oh, so they can legally have a charity or group but not expect not to be assaulted in the street? Good to know.

If you had read my posts you'd have seen that I thought what happened was over the top and aggressive, but not a homophobic assault.

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:11

@plodalong12

If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

And if the hat simply said “Gay Pride” or “Gay Support” (which are closer equivalents to what actually occurred)?

But that isn't what it said. To many people, "LGB Alliance" means "against efforts to make trans people's lives easier". It doesn't simply mean "yay for gay people!"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/08/2021 15:11

When have I said they shouldn't be able to have a charity or a group?

Oh, so they can legally have a charity or group but not expect not to be assaulted in the street? Good to know.

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:10

@FloralBunting

Stonewall is extremely influential.

And you are being tedious, disingenuous, and I'm not in the least surprised you don't know any lesbians or gay men that would share about being pressured or coerced to change or hide their sexuality. If I knew you personally I wouldn't tell you because I'd be expecting to be high-handedly dismissed as you have done on the thread.

Stonewall are far less influential than they were ten years ago, and they don't simply issue commands and every single TRA sit back and listen. I don't even know who the head of Stonewall is anymore.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:10

We do genuinely know what Stonewall have been lobbying for.

Start with removal of sex as a protected characteristic. Fact not fiction.

Why do they do that, do you think?

plodalong12 · 30/08/2021 15:10

If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

And if the hat simply said “Gay Pride” or “Gay Support” (which are closer equivalents to what actually occurred)?

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:10

@plodalong12

Stonewall is not the leader of every trans person or "TRA" in the country. They do not set the common agenda that all "TRA"s abide by. Do you genuinely think they do?

As you are an “also legally qualified gay man” are you saying that Stonewall has had no influencr whatsoever in UK court and law? Are you from the UK? Are you actually in the legal profession?

Stonewall has no more fundamental influence than any other person or organisation in law, they just choose an activist approach. I am both in England and a qualified lawyer.

merrymouse · 30/08/2021 15:09

Stonewall is not the leader of every trans person or "TRA" in the country. They do not set the common agenda that all "TRA"s abide by. Do you genuinely think they do?

Although they seem to be able to set the terms according to which gay people can attend Pride marches.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:09

I posted a link that defines common assault. We don't need to guess, or have an opinion. What happened constitutes assault.

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:09

[quote plodalong12]@JustPassingThrough3
Could you kindly clarify for me how the man at Manchester Pride was "assaulted"?

Of course. He had an item of clothing stolen from him, by way of snatching a hat from his head, and was mobbed by a crowd to the point where he needed a police escort. Now, I realise it may not be on the same level to you as misgendering, because we all know that is LITERAL VIOLENCE, but it does remain an assault. Do you think if you were wearing apparel that indicated you were gay and a mob of people crowded around you, shouting at you, before snatching clothing from your body isn’t assault? It wouldn’t cross your mind to think you may have been targeted because you are gay? Your threshold for tolerance is lower than mine, if so.[/quote]
If I was wearing a hat which said "Gays For Boris Johnson" and a gay man came up and snatched it off my head I'd assume he hated Boris Johnson rather than hated me because I am gay.

plodalong12 · 30/08/2021 15:09

Stonewall is not the leader of every trans person or "TRA" in the country. They do not set the common agenda that all "TRA"s abide by. Do you genuinely think they do?

As you are an “also legally qualified gay man” are you saying that Stonewall has had no influencr whatsoever in UK court and law? Are you from the UK? Are you actually in the legal profession?

FloralBunting · 30/08/2021 15:08

Stonewall is extremely influential.

And you are being tedious, disingenuous, and I'm not in the least surprised you don't know any lesbians or gay men that would share about being pressured or coerced to change or hide their sexuality. If I knew you personally I wouldn't tell you because I'd be expecting to be high-handedly dismissed as you have done on the thread.

merrymouse · 30/08/2021 15:07

I don't know what the divide is, but no lesbian I know IRL agrees that this is in any way a priority. I accept that you feel differently and you are entitled to do that.

I think Jim Davidson claimed black friends who found his jokes funny and plenty of women have disassociated themselves from those nasty feminists.

Yet racism and sexism still exist.

You can’t defend the rights of people you can’t name. ‘Trans’ and ‘queer’ identities are now regularly claimed by Heterosexual gender conforming people. Good luck defending your rights without language.

Of course you might be privileged enough not to believe you need specific rights. If so please understand that others aren’t so lucky.

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:06

@FloralBunting

I'm a little boggled that 'I've never met a someone who has been assaulted/it doesn't happen much' is seriously being peddled as an argument why LGB people shouldn't be allowed to have a charity for them.

Lucky for me that I know decent men, gay and otherwise, who are capable of empathy.

When have I said they shouldn't be able to have a charity or a group?

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:05

@RedDogsBeg

Who sets this common "agenda"? Who is the leader of the TRAs and how were they appointed? What is their organisation? How do they set policy?

Stonewall.

Look up their definition of homosexuality, it is no longer based on sex but gender:

This might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender. The term ‘gay’ is now more generally used.

Stonewall also decree that Transwomen are women and Transmen are men, therefore good luck with declaring you are only attracted to men because that includes Transmen who are by dint of their sex biological females.

Stonewall is not the leader of every trans person or "TRA" in the country. They do not set the common agenda that all "TRA"s abide by. Do you genuinely think they do?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:04

Physical contact isn't required for a charge of common assault.

JustPassingThrough3 · 30/08/2021 15:03

@PurgatoryOfPotholes: I am also a legally qualified gay man, and I am afraid to say that I disagree with this person's analysis.

There is no way that a prosecutor would consider that the alleged "robbery" met the threshold of "steals" as set out in s. 1 of the Theft Act 1968. And none of his bits about s. 12 of the Equality Act or "harassing based on a s. 9 protected belief" are anything beyond legal word-salad.

It is true that being gay is a protected characteristic under s. 12 EA 2010; it is true (Forstater v CGD) that so-called gender critical beliefs are protected under s. 10 (not s. 9, which concerns race) of the EA 2010. But disagreeing with either of them or even shouting at someone in the street on the basis of them is not a crime. Nor would it be harassment under s. 1 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:02

Such weasel words.

He was assaulted for wearing a t shirt that bore the logo of a gay charity. The nature of the charity was the excuse for the assault. His presumed affiliation was the excuse for the assault.

plodalong12 · 30/08/2021 15:02

@RedDogsBeg

Who sets this common "agenda"? Who is the leader of the TRAs and how were they appointed? What is their organisation? How do they set policy?

Stonewall.

Look up their definition of homosexuality, it is no longer based on sex but gender:

This might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender. The term ‘gay’ is now more generally used.

Stonewall also decree that Transwomen are women and Transmen are men, therefore good luck with declaring you are only attracted to men because that includes Transmen who are by dint of their sex biological females.

And the BBC:

Homosexual means people of either sex who are attracted to people of their own gender

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/08/2021 15:00

And in case you are in doubt, don't want to take the word of an anonymous woman

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/outlines/assault/

RedDogsBeg · 30/08/2021 15:00

Who sets this common "agenda"? Who is the leader of the TRAs and how were they appointed? What is their organisation? How do they set policy?

Stonewall.

Look up their definition of homosexuality, it is no longer based on sex but gender:

This might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender. The term ‘gay’ is now more generally used.

Stonewall also decree that Transwomen are women and Transmen are men, therefore good luck with declaring you are only attracted to men because that includes Transmen who are by dint of their sex biological females.

AfternoonToffee · 30/08/2021 15:00

"I would love an organisation that actually grapples with the real issues gay and lesbian and bi people actually face, without thinking that it has to be a battle against people who want to improve, for example, access to trans healthcare services.*

To be fair most women are already doing their own battles for access to health care (and do not disagree because we really do face appalling health inequalities) it is not up to the women to be fighting for better trans healthcare. (However what is meant by improved trans healthcare wildly differs)

titchy · 30/08/2021 14:59

Well, if someone shouted at me for wearing a trans lives matter t-shirt, I'd think they were a callous idiot more than anything.

It wasn't 'someone' it was a crowd. But can I clarify from your response then that you wouldn't consider a crowd jeering at you and stealing an item of your clothing to be transphobic then?