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@SirVixofVixHall you can’t be a non-binary woman. Non-binary means neither male or female.

@Cailleach1 no, as ive said previously not everyone who identifies as a woman has a uterus. And not everyone who has a uterus is a woman. We’re just going round in circles. You can be a woman even if not biologically born female. You might not agree but that’s on you

[quote CMcA21]@KittenKong that’s when people have the choice of getting an abortion then isn’t it

@Bambooshoot didn’t say that they do, I was just breaking it down for someone who said they wanted to be educated on the matter

@SirVixofVixHall I’m not non-binary and neither is my partner. I’m a female and he’s a male. He doesn’t have a uterus and I do. But if I was non-binary I wouldn’t be a woman but I’d still have a uterus[/quote]
You are a woman, and as we are all non binary, then you are a non binary woman, it is a totally meaningless term.

(Although if you refused to take a contraceptive that said it was for women because you didn't identify as a woman, I would think you were either a. putting your principles before your health, or b. had a poor understanding of biology and were incredibly naïve.)

Its precisely because of many people having a poor understanding if biology that anything medical related should stick to using facts and be accessible in plain.english. it doesn't do anyone any good to pander to something that just isn't or can never be true.

Having seen something advertised at "bleeding babes" yesterday, this really doesn't seem bad...

If it means more people take it and don't put themselves at risk of unwanted pregnancies, then I think that's probably a good thing.

(Although if you refused to take a contraceptive that said it was for women because you didn't identify as a woman, I would think you were either a. putting your principles before your health, or b. had a poor understanding of biology and were incredibly naïve.)

[quote CMcA21]@KittenKong that’s when people have the choice of getting an abortion then isn’t it

@Bambooshoot didn’t say that they do, I was just breaking it down for someone who said they wanted to be educated on the matter

@SirVixofVixHall I’m not non-binary and neither is my partner. I’m a female and he’s a male. He doesn’t have a uterus and I do. But if I was non-binary I wouldn’t be a woman but I’d still have a uterus[/quote]
How do you know that your male partner not have a uterus? Is it because he doesn't identify as a woman, or is partial to self selected identity from A - Z to infinity? If he identified as a woman or non binary etc, could he have a uterus?

As it is about identity, like.

I suspect we all know he doesn't have a uterus and it is simply because he is not a woman. Men don't have uteri, ever, irrespective of how they identify.

Everyone knows this, irrespective of how 'they' waffle on about things.

Blibbyblobby - oh I hear you! I can’t stand this redefining the word (yet some people will and do use it at will yet don’t get canned for it, hmmmmm)

Well, I have a uterus but, as a post-menopausal woman, I very much doubt a contraceptive is ‘for me’. Does that make me non-woman? 🤔

If Woman simply describes a body type there is no problem here. Genderism created the problem then slaps itself on the back for a half cut, shoddy solution.

And as a previous person pointed out, this new so-called inclusive phrasing is less clear, and therefore less inclusive of people who may have low literacy or a different first language, than the simple word Woman was before genderism made it meaningless.

Genderism really isn't inclusive, and those who think it is simply show how limited their social horizons are.

(FWIW I don't actually mind language changing, what I vehemently object to and will continue to call out is the deliberate and political un-naming, and thereby undefining, the group that used to be called women.).

@EdgeOfACoin @SirVixofVixHall hope you’re both ok x

The contraceptive pill is for female biology. There isn’t one for male biology, unfortunately.
Nonbinary is an adopted description with no bearing on reality or biology. People with uterus is a very offensive way to refer to women for those who accuse GCW of reducing things to biology.
Biologically speaking no other human being, apart from females, have an uterus.

But if we take this to its logical conclusion listing everyone who might need the product, we should add (but not Transwomen) on the end - which would be horribly offensive to some and likely to get the factories burnt down. Why be so specific on one hand and so vague on the other? It’s ok to offend one group, apparently?

@WhatwouldscullydoI think most people know if they have a uterus or not

Actually the average reading age I the UK is something like 12.

A significant number of women and girls don't know they have a cervix fir example.

How do you identify which people to tell that they have a uterus? How donthey know what category they fall under.

What definitions do you use? How does one know they are a woman or.of they have another identity. What are the feeatured of these identities so that the relevant people can work.out what they are?

[quote CMcA21]@MolyHolyGuacamole I’m realising that 😂 bit odd but they better get used to it because this is the norm now[/quote]
The norm that there is no collective noun for the group formerly called women, and therefore it's impossible to define laws, rights, spaces and protections for a group that has suffered and still suffers personal and systemic disempowerment?

The norm that since the structures that were put in place for that group continue to exist but are now open to an entirely different group, society is not seeing the disempowerment and denaming being enacted against the group formerly called women, and is in fact labelling it "progressive" even as female rights and protections are dismantled?

Yeah, I'm not going to get used to that, and I'm never going to say it's ok.

Why is this important? Everyone knows what the word means. Inclusivity would imply that it makes sure that anyone reading the pack understands what it is and what it is for.

I'm really ok with their labelling. This is the point of inclusivity.

@MolyHolyGuacamole I’m realising that 😂 bit odd but they better get used to it because this is the norm now

And why doesn't woman include non.binary?

Are they not an adult female of the human species? What word do you use to describe a juvenile human female or an adult human female?

What do you tell the.police wheb they go missing so.that everyone is looking fir the right person?

@Whatwouldscullydo I think most people know if they have a uterus or not

@KittenKong that’s when people have the choice of getting an abortion then isn’t it

@Bambooshoot didn’t say that they do, I was just breaking it down for someone who said they wanted to be educated on the matter

@SirVixofVixHall I’m not non-binary and neither is my partner. I’m a female and he’s a male. He doesn’t have a uterus and I do. But if I was non-binary I wouldn’t be a woman but I’d still have a uterus

If you treat all these things as an identity you then have to provide some kind of definition of what constitues a woman/man/ non.binary identity is so that people know if they have one or not and can work out if they cone under woman or person with a uterus.

[quote CMcA21]@AnneLovesGilbert some people are women but don’t have a uterus for medical reasons or have transitioned from male. Some people were born as women but no longer identify as a woman and therefore still have a uterus but the term ‘women and people with uteruses’ is progressive and doesn’t exclude non-binary people who have female reproductive organs but do not identify as women and therefore might feel uncomfortable about the wording being just ‘women’. Hope that helps on educating you on the matter[/quote]
I can’t see how someone without a uterus needs the female contraceptive pill.

[quote CMcA21]@KittenKong that’s the whole point of contraception really isn’t it[/quote]
Nothing is 100% though is it?