I Robin Ince doing that thing..

I like Robin Ince so I'm sorry to see him wade into the fray at this point in this way. He has sat on the fence for a long time and refused to engage with Glinner over the years (although to be fair Glinner's approach is not always conducive I don't think).

On one hand Ince has Brian Cox and Gia Milanovic (fairly sure Cox has at least hinted at a sensible stance on this issue in the past), on the other Josie Long and Grace Petrie, who he collaborates with extensively. (I've unfollowed both of them as a result of this issue but again think Glinner went too far calling out the latter at times).

Guess he has finally nailed his colours to the mast, but for a man who's made his name off science and scepticism, it's a real shame. And to hear he's bollocking on about Glinner and non-binary identities in his shows now sad, I've seen him many times over the years but will probably be leaving him to it now.

Ughh, I saw Robin Ince live recently and although some of his set was very funny, he was rude about Glinner and people who "don't understand non-binary" and "get upset about pronouns." At that point I stopped laughing. He slagged Glinner off for being an old white man, which was ironic!

Coyoacan

I am on twitter under my own name with a photo of me so no ambiguity. Am also GC AF and work in a school.

I am never abusive and keep all my tweets evidence based, though. No trouble yet - oh, except three of my oldest dearest mates have disowned me....

where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men?

This is an aspect of toxic masculinity that I was oblivious to until I got involved with Twitter. Their ability to filter out women's voices and only hone in on male respondents is something marellous to behold.

@rabbitwoman, do you happen to have a unisex tritter handle?

It would be good for Ince to answer the Staniland question and to state whether he is minded to expect any changes at all for someone to acquire trans status rather than an assertion or change in pronoun.

He's as familiar with Eddie izzard's transformation from transvestite to woman just by saying so, as anyone. He's not just talking about men with their penises removed. He'll have izzard in mind when he shakes his head a women excluding males from changing rooms.

I think specifically when I spoke to him it was about prisons. He said that all his feminist friends had told him there was nothing to worry about. I asked him if he knew Linda Belos or Anne ryzlo?

Interesting to note, of course, Robin Ince's attitude here. He is taking the (then) prevailing understanding of someone being a transsexual rather than the contemporary one in which the former bully should be expected to recognise Ince as a trans person in the absence of extensive surgery.

(The nearest I can think of involves a joke about me having sex with someone who bullied me at school after having extensive plastic surgery and a sex change, but the sex in that is consensual if unnerving for the fictional bully once I reveal my identity)

robinince.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/a-joke-is-just-a-joke-apart-from-that-one-about-me-now-thats-offensive/

I should think Ince would probably perceive himself as arguing that concerns about safe spaces, safeguarding etc. are misunderstandings at best, moral panic or bigotry at worst.

It would be good for Ince to answer the Staniland question and to state whether he is minded to expect any changes at all for someone to acquire trans status rather than an assertion or change in pronoun.

I wonder how many of his feminist friends are women.

I wonder how many of his feminist friends have any background or responsibility for safeguarding children and vulnerable adults?

I was just about to say to him, didn't you ask jk Rowling when she came on museum of curiosity when I realised I had confused him with John Lloyd.

I appreciate that some people might not have heard of some of these commenters: I know that that doesn't mean that others underestimate their reach and influence.

Ince said 'it's just like homophobia in the 80s and section 28'. Gia milinovic replied directly to him saying its not, listing the campaigning she did on gay rights and asking what did you do? I assume they know each other personally at least a bit. He hasn't replied to her publicly.

He's doing that 'I just don't understand what's going on' thing, but has clearly chosen not to consider any if the explanations given to him the previous times, or he would understand, even if he doesn't agree. What a knob.

Re Brian Cox I think he has done good things for freedom of speech at Manchester Uni but I can't remember what. I can't imagine Gia Milinovich sticking with him if he was a misogynist arse, or is it only me for whom it would have been a relationship deal breaker?!

When men do this, it is an abuse of their privilege. Either because they don't listen to women or they do listen but they don't care. I am done with misogyny being the acceptable form of oppression.

Robin Incel I call him. He spoiled No Such Thing As A Fish last week with his snarky voice.

Who the hell is Robin Ince? never heard of him

We're better off trying to get more MPs and Lords to understand the risks to women. When Robert Winston talked about the importance of mothers and how we should be supporting them it made me tearful. He has had such an impact on so many women. Robin Ince, not so much

Luckily minor celebrity comedians on Twitter don't make policy. We don't need his support. He is an intelligent man with facts at his disposal and has declined to support women's rights. He can do one.

He does that science show with Brian Cox, doesn't he? Does anyone know Cox's view? (His wife, Gia Milinovic, is gender-critical.)

NecessaryScene Fair point

He likes to tweet some silly opinion based on a strawman of whoever he's decided the Baddies are, and when anyone points out that he is indeed using a strawman, he deletes the tweet and then whines about how people are mean to him.

It's as if Twitter has created whole new commonly-occurring personality types. So strange.