Simon Callow article in The Times

There’s a long and tragic history of members of minorities who’ve won greater acceptance kicking their ladder from beneath them.

That's hilarious.

The ladder doesn't get kicked harder or further than Stonewall gaining acceptance of homosexuality, and then kicking every homosexual under the bus in favour of the opposite of homosexuality.

It feels unwise to underestimate him, his set of skills, and the extent of his reach.

Owen Jones is incapable of thinking outside his very small box. He comes across as someone who is quite thick.

Simon ❤️❤️

Thank you Simon 🙌 So sorry to see he’s getting a load of shit from the usual suspects. Brave man

Thank you Simon Callow!

Well said RoyalCorgi

Especially the conclusion The only legislation at all relating to trans people is the Equality Act (2010), which gives them significant protections in law. After that, what is left? The answer is: the right to get into women-only spaces. And since when is the campaign to get your dick out in the women's changing room the legitimate struggle of an oppressed class?

Hence when anyone asks the question well what rights don't you have, there's no answer. Because they want the right to do something that no man should have the right to do.

👏🏼 RoyalCorgi

What is the equivalent struggle of trans people? Where are the centuries of legislation against trans identities? The only legislation at all relating to trans people is the Equality Act (2010), which gives them significant protections in law.

TRAs try to shut down the argument by shouting loudly that anyone who thinks like Simon Callow wishes trans people didn't exist and literally wants them all dead, from what can be gleaned on Twitter. The eloquence and logic between the two factions is like night and day, but it makes no difference to self-congratulatory pot-stirrers like Jones.

At Oxford, in the PPE course, there is alot of attention paid to 'the authorative voice', which, in none posh person speak is; sounding like you know what your talking about.
Which is all well and good, BUT someone really needs to update the tutors and students that when you are spouting total rubbish, doing it in an authoritative and overbearing mannor does not convince onlookers of your position, it just gives people the rage.

It always surprises me that Talcum has a degree in history because he seems to have learnt so little from it. For example, he has this idea about people being judged by history, because in the future people will be wonderfully enlightened and look with horror on these benighted times. Everyone who has studied history beyond GCSE level is warned about the Whig interpretation of history - the fallacy of history as some kind of onward movement towards progress.

And he should also be aware of the dangers of making exact parallels between events in the past and events in the present. You see this a lot among journalists, for example, when they claim that the invasion of Iraq is just like the Second World War. (No, it's not.) The so-called trans rights movement has next to nothing in common with the gay rights movement of the 1980s and 1990s. Gay people endured centuries of having their sexuality outlawed, being sent to prison or even executed for their sexual orientation. In the dark days of the 1980s they suffered the setback of Section 28, an outright ban on teaching children about homosexuality in schools. What is the equivalent struggle of trans people? Where are the centuries of legislation against trans identities? The only legislation at all relating to trans people is the Equality Act (2010), which gives them significant protections in law. After that, what is left? The answer is: the right to get into women-only spaces. And since when is the campaign to get your dick out in the women's changing room the legitimate struggle of an oppressed class?

Its like little Talcm does not know the difference between a commentator and a troll.
All this willfull missunderstanding, is he really that thick or is it his arguing ploy?

Well done Simon Callow. We just need a nice, sensible discussion so that women's rights, LGB rights and trans rights are all respected. At the moment we have some sort of crazy Equality Top Trumps going on in which anyone who is even the slightest bit TQIA scoops the pool and everyone else gets nothing

Good for Simon.

Well done for being brave enough to speak up for women Simon Callow

Trending on twitter :

"Trending in United Kingdom
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The Times interviews actor and gay rights campaigner Simon Callow about Stonewall and the LGBTQ group's stance on self-identification for transgender people
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This is how OJ talks about issues over and over again. It's always "this is the same as that."

Arguing by analogy is a bit futile, I guess thats why OJ enjoys it so much.

Analogies rarely prove anything, they just add colour to a debate but are no substjtute for solid reasoning.

OJ just ignores what people say and goes for analogies and insults.

He really is a child

Ooh now that's a bloody good article, thank you Simon callow whoever you are.

He doesn't seem to recognize that even if there are some elements that are the same, it does not follow that it is an identical argument.

I've come to the conclusion that probably he doesn't really understand or maybe even really pay attention to what the basic arguments around how rights of homosexuals were, in terms of things like privacy, the larger role of sex or marriage in society, not to mention questions like how we think about rights of individuals vs larger social structures, how we manage things like rights of religious bodies or people who conscientiously object, etc. If he did, he would be able to understand both the way in which they were similar and the ways in which they were different, and that the right answers aren't always simple and obvious, and that reasonable people might disagree about many things.

OJ blocking and patronising people left and right over this by the look of it.

Nancy Kelly is spinning a very creative interpretation of matters on Twitter as well, reading like a petulant teen in a strop with their dad.

All proving Callow's point of course.