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Simon Callow article in The Times

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AnyOldPrion · 25/08/2021 03:00

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/actor-simon-callow-attacks-stonewall-the-lgbtq-group-over-trans-self-identification-6l3nd7hw3

Sorry, no share token, but pleased to see another significant figure speaking out.

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Deliriumoftheendless · 26/08/2021 08:46

@terryleather

As an aside, RT has always reminded me of this retro kid's tv favourite...
It is uncanny isn’t it?
Maskless · 26/08/2021 08:05

@NonnyMouse1337

"Stonewall said: ”We are working towards a world in which all lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer people are able to thrive as themselves. We’re very proud of our work towards trans equality, as well as our work for all lesbian, gay, bi and queer people. From LGBTQ+ inclusive education to equity in healthcare, our work helps all LGBTQ+ people.”

You know what really angers and upsets me about Stonewall and other gender zealots? The utter betrayal and undermining of the L, G and B.

The gender zealots are not content with making up their own definitions for trans, queer and the other trailing alphabets. No, they are determined to break any link with SEXuality for lesbians, gays and bisexuals. Already on the Stonewall website, it claims homosexuality is an outdated and offensive term. (Newsflash: it's not) They want to brainwash younger generations by avoiding the connection between the terms lesbian/gay with homosexuality. So now lesbian and gay no longer means same sex attraction, but same gender attraction.

Bisexuality was the last remaining one with links to SEXuality. First, the gender zealots pronounced that bisexuality is an attraction to two or more genders. But the SEX in bisexual was an awkward reminder of reality. Observe now that bisexual has morphed into bi. I've even seen some bisexual groups overrun by gender zealots who call it bi+. I mean, what the fuck does bi+ even mean?!?

This is a sinister assault on the reality of sex underpinning homosexuality and bisexuality (and by extension heterosexuality). They want to obscure and break any link or reference of human sexuality to reality. Younger generations are being g***d into thinking terms like lesbian, gay and bi are frivolous labels that are based on some nebulous feeling rather than a factual term for describing the nature of sexual orientation. It's so upsetting.

The gender zealots demand respect for their endless gender identities but refuse to respect homosexuality and bisexuality. I am biSEXual and not ashamed of my attraction to both sexes. Leave my sexuality alone you fuckers! Get your own bloody words instead of changing ours!

Stunningly good post.
terryleather · 26/08/2021 07:57

As an aside, RT has always reminded me of this retro kid's tv favourite...

Simon Callow article in The Times
LizzieSiddal · 26/08/2021 07:30

Excuse typos!

LizzieSiddal · 26/08/2021 07:29

Do people wilfully misunderstand?
No one is saying that trans people are a danger to women.

Stonewall, OJ etc have done an excellent job of telling everyone that any “debate” about self ID, is equivalent to stating you think all trans people are a danger to women and transphobic. The general public can’t be blamed for latching in to this, because they sit. Really think too deeply about the actual issues and where Self ID ends up.
I really do think every interview or any communication by GC people should start with a clarification that we are worried about criminal men NOT trans people in general. If the general public heard it enough, then the hysterical, lying fraternity, wouldn’t get away with the line “debate equals transphobia”.

Unless this is powerfully replayed to the general public, Stonewall, OJ etc will will continue to lie about GC people.

FindTheTruth · 26/08/2021 07:11

since when is the campaign to get your dick out in the women's changing room the legitimate struggle of an oppressed class?

they want the right to do something that no man should have the right to do.

There is clear justification to restrict access to single-sex in spaces with naked bodies - showers, changing rooms, hospital wards. And elite sports. And spaces with the vulnerable - prisons, refuges, rape centres, shelters. Yet Stonewall and the blue-ticked men call this anti-trans.

Most activity in society involves both sexes. Trans people can relate to others in their chosen gender and from what I've experienced personally are welcomed and treated with compassion.

FindTheTruth · 26/08/2021 06:16

Haha, OJ is so reliably shrill on this. Every attempt at discussion is an “onslaught”

I refuse to believe he’s anything other than a satirical comedy character

A comedy exposing the the blue tick shrill characters could be funny

FindTheTruth · 26/08/2021 06:10

Joe Lycett's not very bright is he? Never heard of him before but only a dim person would equate being against self-id to being against trans existence. Ridiculous man.

NiceGerbil · 25/08/2021 23:07

I don't think with people like oj it's about anything more complex than deep seated misogyny.

Combined with the tendency of those who are 'left' to believe they are immune from being biased etc. The belief that led to the long term issue with anti Semitism in Labour being ignored.

NiceGerbil · 25/08/2021 23:00

Simon callow is a great actor and a bona fide star. A long and illustrious career. National treasure material I'd say.

When his name comes up I always think of the scene with the pond in a room with a view Grin

He doesn't speak out much I don't think or court the press.

He's been an openly gay famous actor for as long as I can remember so that's the early 80s I suppose. Visible, I think the term is, as a gay man.

I find it utterly bemusing how people especially young (ish) gay men are so quick to say oh how terrible bad man etc.

Is it a similar mechanism to young women dismissing older women etc?

In this case though. The idea that so many life long lefties / feminists / lesbian women/ gay men/ people who have been activists / lost friends to AIDS/ etc etc etc. Have suddenly become horrible bigots.I mean yes people you think are good eggs do sometimes come out with a load of old shit. But this is a LOT of people.

It's a fascinating thing to see in real life. And it's educational to be on the 'wrong side' of the left, as it were, for the first time.

I just can't get my head around the refusal to even think for a second. Maybe they have a point?

And it's not things that would seem to be a bit tricky to decide on. Think well I don't know.

It's massive stuff that is a no brainer to the vast majority of people everywhere.

Males in women's prisons Inc sex offenders
Stats
Communal changing
Services for women who have been harmed by men
In patient mental health units
Sports
Etc etc etc etc

It's utterly bizarre and would be fascinating if it wasn't fucking me off so much.

EastWestWhosBest · 25/08/2021 22:56

@AlecTrevelyan006

Joe Lycett *@joelycett*

6h
To my trans followers: please remember there are many, many people who don’t believe your mere existence is ‘divisive’ or that you are a ‘danger to women’ or any equivalent nonsense and that the T is as important and valued as all the letters in LGBTQI+ Rainbow flag Transgender flag

Do people wilfully misunderstand? No one is saying that trans people are a danger to women.
Enough4me · 25/08/2021 22:50

@BraveBananaBadge I agree, he said men shouldn't go in women's space, they are saying that he said TW are a danger to women.

They just want to suck up to TW.

LobsterNapkin · 25/08/2021 22:36

Oh pleeease, Simon Callow is a gifted actor, brilliant speaker and all round witty and intelegent guy. Joe and Russ are two guys you'd tire of after ten minutes in the pub.

Actors seem to be about as likely as anyone else to be intelligent, or not. I'm sure that must make some kind of difference in their command of their craft but it doesn't seem to be especially correlated to how they appear to the audience.

BraveBananaBadge · 25/08/2021 22:25

@AlecTrevelyan006

Joe Lycett *@joelycett*

6h
To my trans followers: please remember there are many, many people who don’t believe your mere existence is ‘divisive’ or that you are a ‘danger to women’ or any equivalent nonsense and that the T is as important and valued as all the letters in LGBTQI+ Rainbow flag Transgender flag

You can't help but wonder why people like this can't read any more into what's in front of them than to make out these things are an 'attack' all the time. The generational divide is vast. People like Lycett and even OJ (it pains me to say it) aren't stupid. But these reactions are so misleading.

Ultimately, Callow really isn't saying what they think he is saying - same as JKR or anyone. It's so tiresome.

dyslek · 25/08/2021 22:18

Unfortuantly LOJ is all too real. Iv had the 'pleasure' of meeting him.

Thislittlefinger123 · 25/08/2021 22:16

Thank you Simon ❤️ Love him as an actor and now love him even more!

LazyViper · 25/08/2021 21:59

Haha, OJ is so reliably shrill on this. Every attempt at discussion is an “onslaught” against trans people, “grim” and so on.

I refuse to believe he’s anything other than a satirical comedy character like Titania McGrath. He’s just too predictable to be anything else.

On the plus side, the TRAs must be rattled that another national treasure is speaking his mind. Thank you Simon. Flowers

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 25/08/2021 21:11

@AlecTrevelyan006

Disappointingly, but not surprisingly, Joe Lycett and Russell Tovey disagree with Simon Callow.
I didn't know the names so had to look them up - still don't know JL & only know RT from a bit part in Dr Who a million years ago 🤷‍♀️ I'm not generally good on actors or celebrities but surely neither is anywhere near SC in terms of name recognition?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2021 20:52

Joe and Russ are two guys you'd tire of after ten minutes in the pub.

My thoughts exactly. I found Joe Lycett irritating enough before the wokescolding and I've literally never given Russell Tovey even a passing thought.

FloralBunting · 25/08/2021 20:42

Performative bollocks.

dyslek · 25/08/2021 20:42

@AlecTrevelyan006

Disappointingly, but not surprisingly, Joe Lycett and Russell Tovey disagree with Simon Callow.
Oh pleeease, Simon Callow is a gifted actor, brilliant speaker and all round witty and intelegent guy. Joe and Russ are two guys you'd tire of after ten minutes in the pub.
AlecTrevelyan006 · 25/08/2021 20:39

Joe Lycett
@joelycett

6h
To my trans followers: please remember there are many, many people who don’t believe your mere existence is ‘divisive’ or that you are a ‘danger to women’ or any equivalent nonsense and that the T is as important and valued as all the letters in LGBTQI+ Rainbow flag Transgender flag

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/08/2021 20:32

@AlecTrevelyan006

Disappointingly, but not surprisingly, Joe Lycett and Russell Tovey disagree with Simon Callow.
Would that be with informed commentary rather than #nodebate ? (I'm trying to retain my optimism that people care about the standard of public discourse.)
AlecTrevelyan006 · 25/08/2021 20:28

Disappointingly, but not surprisingly, Joe Lycett and Russell Tovey disagree with Simon Callow.

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