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Guardian long read by Shon Faye about trans children

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Booboobadoo · 24/08/2021 07:20

I couldn't find a thread about this already, thought would add:
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/24/shaky-acceptance-transgender-kids-families-fight-for-inclusion?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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nauticant · 24/08/2021 08:30

I have different degrees of sympathy for those under the trans umbrella. But not for those pushing for medical interventions to "fix" children turning them into medical cases for life. Especially since when the scandal breaks properly into the public consciousness most of the will simply walk away.

RoastChicory · 24/08/2021 08:20

And lots of confident assertions about ‘gender identity’. It is total bollocks, and dangerous in the consequences for the children.

OldTurtleNewShell · 24/08/2021 08:11

@NotBadConsidering

I would read it but I doubt it would offer anything insightful. I suspect it will contain a heart wrenching anecdote about a family with a precocious articulate child, won’t mention all the girls presenting currently, won’t mention all the kids with ASD or intellectual impairment or trauma, won’t talk about the lack of evidence of medical transition nor the harm, and will probably have something about Section 28 and how we are all bigots or something.
That's amazing. Pretty much spot on with every point.
SpindleWhorl · 24/08/2021 08:10

I'll have a look later maybe. I've got women's work cleaning to do.

AfternoonToffee · 24/08/2021 08:07

not I have only very quickly skimmed but that pretty much sums it up. You forgot the evils of Transgender Trend though.

NotBadConsidering · 24/08/2021 08:01

I would read it but I doubt it would offer anything insightful. I suspect it will contain a heart wrenching anecdote about a family with a precocious articulate child, won’t mention all the girls presenting currently, won’t mention all the kids with ASD or intellectual impairment or trauma, won’t talk about the lack of evidence of medical transition nor the harm, and will probably have something about Section 28 and how we are all bigots or something.

OldTurtleNewShell · 24/08/2021 08:01

Interesting, especially that of the parents. I think that a lot of history is being rewritten. I know a family with a trans child who 'came out' at three or four whose parent is also quite vocal on social media.
At that age, the parent was using toys and clothes primarily as proof that the child was trans e.g. (X always refused to have a haircut and went straight to the dress up box for dresses).
There was also nothing but affirming and cheerleading from the offset as well as a great deal of defensiveness at the idea that the child might just be gender non conforming rather than 'born in the wrong body'. (Their words)
The child is now 11 and the narrative is now that in Faye's article: it wasn't about clothes and they spent time trying to work it out first before reluctantly agreeing to transition. They've also denied saying 'wrong body' which appears to have fallen out of fashion.
Anyone who has been in proximity to this family will know that's not true. There's been a great deal of shifting and changing of the story from the beginning as its become clearer and clearer that its all rooted in stereotypes even as they completely deny that it is.

SpindleWhorl · 24/08/2021 08:00

Can someone précis it please, so I don't have to read it?

Same here, @RoastChicory. My mother 'despaired' of my tom boy ways.

zanahoria · 24/08/2021 07:54

Shon is not even worth a short read

RoastChicory · 24/08/2021 07:53

It is very one-sided. I was a tomboy the entire time at primary school. I didn’t get the other girls, had no interest in dolls, only wore jeans and asked for meccano sets for Christmas.

I wasn’t ‘trans’, I was just a child. Like 80-90% of gender non-conforming children, my issues were resolved at puberty.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full

Some children persist, and for them an early transition may be beneficial, but if there is medication involved things become dangerous.

Early medical transition and your body never goes through a normal puberty. We know that makes the children infertile, and may well also impact on their brain development. There needs to be research on this, but transactivists seem to block research.

MichelleScarn · 24/08/2021 07:31

Inclusion or 'do what tell you bigots and centre Shon in everything bigots!' ?