GC women thrown out of Edinburgh pub

[quote ArabellaScott]I agree that the bar manager has plenty of interesting views and insights on the situation and is keen to share. I recommend having a look at their Twitter. (NSFW, Content warning, lots of sexual content)

twitter.com/mebisdead[/quote]
In among all the boob talk and photos, they are clearly loving the attention from this. They keep tagging in CursedE and Katy Montgomerie. Looks a bit desperate.

@soontobe60. Quoting half my sentence will of course make it look different. Nice touch.

Of course I don’t think putting gender critical leaflets/stickers in the loos is “hateful” enough to get them evicted. At no point did I say it was “hateful”. You’re twisting what I said.

All I said was it gives staff an excuse no matter what the subject is to ask people to leave. I’m not saying I agree with that at all. Just that it’s given (if they did this) the bar staff a “reason” for asking them to leave which allows them to wriggle away from what is the real reason. It’s a shame they have that excuse to hang their decision on…..of course it’s possible there were no leaflets/stickers and the bar staff have entirely made that up. I don’t know.

@charlieparley I've taken to keeping my hands in my pockets when walking down the High Street during the Festival to stop flyers being thrust into my hands!

An additional point is that, in addition to the masses of flyers/posters/stickers advertising Fringe shows, there are always plenty of other flyers too - political parties, yoga retreats, spiritual events etc etc and they are always being placed in public buildings, all around Edinburgh. My last job was well out of the Centre and we still had loads of flyers and things left on noticeboards, in the toilets etc. Places I have worked which had a blanket 'no flyers' rule - I just took the flyers and put them in the bin. I didn't chase people down to scream abuse at them, even if I disagreed with what they were distributing!

Goodness. That’s all beyond me. Thankfully.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@HouseOfGoldandBones
According to the manger of the pub there was a 2hr per booking rule. I think the women were arguing disingenuously because when you book a table, there is never an expiration time given. It’s always separately mentioned.[/quote]
That's nonsense. If any venue is using a limited time system it is always, in my experience, stated in the booking process.

I do however think it was extremely silly of them to deposit leaflets and stickers. Bars never allow that without prior agreement. You might see Fringe Festival flyers but a bar's not going to risk offending customers who disagree with whatever is being promoted.

I agree that the bar manager has plenty of interesting views and insights on the situation and is keen to share. I recommend having a look at their Twitter. (NSFW, Content warning, lots of sexual content)

twitter.com/mebisdead

As long as they are not picking on people for their views/appearance/etc

I took it as rife with hatred towards women from the GC position.

I don’t mind who works in pubs, who goes to pubs, or what their views are.

This was a group of women who had booked two tables to have dinner after going to an Edinburgh Fringe show.

Nothing happened until Marion Millar popped in to say hi.

The bar manager immediately asked Marion to leave (and only Marion at this point). Which she did within 5 minutes.

Shortly afterwards the bar manager decided to call the police to evict the other women.

No insults were flying and no trouble caused. Which is why other guests were nonplussed when the police turned up.

Who did inform the women that the manager wanted them to leave. When they protested that they hadn't done anything wrong, the police told them that the manager had the right to ask them to leave. So they left.

As for leaflets in the toilets, during the Edinburgh Fringe the whole centre of town is drowning in leaflets, flyers, posters, stickers. You can't walk five yards without someone thrusting a leaflet, a flyer, a sticker, even badges at you.

There are usually so many on every horizontal surface, that you stop taking any notice. Not even the flyers offering free shows or free drinks if you go to a particular show get much attention.

You have to be an outrage merchant to manage a pub in one of the busiest areas of town to complain about leaflets during the Fringe. And the manager was kind enough to broadcast to the world just what motivated the eviction.

Not behaviour. Opinions.

Women having opinions certain men don't like.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

'Rife' @MondayYogurt? That strikes unpleasantly. Why shouldn't transwomen have jobs at pubs?

Beautifully expressed

Here

I never thought I’d be scared to go to the pub in Scotland. Been going for 35 years

Yes you did.

The barman or whatever the hell he calls himself is sure acting like a bigot on Twitter, it's not hard to believe he takes his ''whole self to work''.

Look at how he's carrying on on social media. Referring to women as cunts. Asked what the group did that was threatening, he said 'they were cunts'. He said he throws out 'hate groups' like nazis and 'terfs'. He says 'terfs' have no place in society and 'everyone despises them'.

So whether they class the pub incident as discrimination or not, this individual is harassing and slurring women online for holding legally protected beliefs, he's displaying his utter hatred for a protected group, and is dragging his place of work into it.

It's fucked up when you think of some of the things women have been sacked for, for posting online. I've never seen a GC feminist say ''trans people don't belong in society'', ''all trans people are cunts'', ''everyone despises trans people''. That would be abhorrent, and so is this person's attitude.

I wouldn't want this person associated with my business.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@HouseOfGoldandBones
According to the manger of the pub there was a 2hr per booking rule. I think the women were arguing disingenuously because when you book a table, there is never an expiration time given. It’s always separately mentioned.[/quote]
The manager decided to make up the 2 hour rule to get them out, because he had no other reason for them to leave.

No stickers were used, but yes, I can see that leaving a leaflet that states sex is immutable can be seen to be hateful enough to get someone evicted

That is not what I said at all.

Marian miller has been in the main stream news for her court case including photos of her, so perfectly possible that the barman recognised her.