Are younger teens and pre-teens rejecting gender woo?

Oh, and even the middle aged right-on people ( all women) I know who buy into this don't actually understand the ideology they are defending, and make statements that the ideology they are defending would consider wildly transphobic (such as sexuality being based on the sex of the people you are attracted to).
I doubt many of the people who defend and support this ideology actually understand what it is and its implications.

It’s not younger teens vs older this gender woo woo is working class

See what happens if Barry tries to get in to the women’s toilets on my estate

Their is a reason why most working class people are culturally conservative

One of my sons friends in his late teens has announced, very seriously, that his pronouns are they/them, and his neo pronouns are pup/pupself.

It worries me where it's going to end. Neo pronouns? Identifying as a dog? These kids are often (usually) very vulnerable. This one is. I am concerned for him and all the other kids who feel they have to join the bandwagon in order to fit in/be part of the crowd.

I work with a group of young people, men and women in their early 20s, and they all think it is rubbish. They didn't agree with Laurel Hubbard being in the women's weightlifting at the Olympics. One of them knows someone who is gender fluid and they aren't rude to this person and try to change what pronoun they call them depending on what they are that day, but they still think it is nonsense. One commented on how they were a whole bunch of trans kids at their school and they thought it was just a fad, basically. I suspect that most young people don't really buy into it.
Its just we only hear from the really vocal ones.

Mine are 16 and 18 and view gender woo as complete nonsense. As far as I'm aware,it hasn't caught on at their school and college,and none of their friends have jumped on the bandwagon. The eldest is off to uni shortly,and I'm a bit worried that she'll be pushed into accepting this nonsense ',to be nice',but she'll be studying Zoology,and lives on a farm,so I'm hopeful that she'll remember that biological sex is different from gender.

Believe me i have had many similar conversations with my dd. My mind is well and truly boggled.

It's the Super Straight and Super Lesbian that seems to have taken off near me.

My 19 year old sister who loves Pride and drag, surprised me when we spoke about it, and thinks it is ridiculous and pro nouns should be sex based. My older sister 22 concedes certain certain spaces should be sex segregated when I told her about some of the incidents but when I bought up JK Rowling and ‘people who’ she just dismissed that as transphobic but couldn’t really articulate why. We ended the conversation there but I hope I’ve planted a seed

This is great, and I'm heartened to hear it, but it doesn't change the regulatory capture that now has most of our institutions in its thrall. I just hope this new generation of gender sceptics can roll back the damage that has been done.

This is heartening to read. My 14yo dd says she's a boy so has been fully taken in by it. My 19yo dd also identified as a boy for 4 years but now says its a load of attention seeking rubbish. She's autistic and says she doesn't identify as a woman or man - i said 'oh would you say you're non binary then?' And she replied, 'if i was a fucking idiot'

My ds is just thinks good luck to anyone wanting to change gender although he is very outspoken about tw in womens' sport

My 9yo ds doesn't care at all, honestly doubt he'd care if a bomb fell next to him. Never met a child so laid back about everything

My 11yo ds is very vocal that you can't change sex. Every single week I worry more that his (very young) stepmum is going to persuade him otherwise...!

My bisexual niece has just turned 20. Like many people her first instinct was to 'side with the oppressed', but the more she's thought about it the less convinced she has become about trans ideology.
One of her oldest friends claims to be non-binary. My niece says she goes along with the pronouns thing "but she's still female".

My teenage daughter does not care how someone identifies and is friendly with a transgirl in her class, she does not believe you can change your biological sex and thinks there should be single sex spaces, she plays football so recognises the need for this in sport. In a PSE lesson about transgender issues she said some of the boys were shouting out you can't change your sex, this is in a average, northern comprehensive school.

DD said “trans women are women / trans men are men” is just what everyone says because “save the turtles” and “no single use plastics” have been done to death. Virtual signalling for a new generation.

Smart girl.

The only transgender kids I know are very vulnerable kids (complex SeN, autism) who need all the specialist support they can get (and no hate from the general public)

This in contrast to the outspoken trans lobby who are alienating large swathes of the nation

It’s like the people who jumped on the band wagon are now ruining it for the genuine trans gender kids

salooone, please ask your DS to give the girl who identified as a kettle a round of applause from me! She is definitely a Mumsnet viper in training!

11 yo DD, 12 yo DS, 15 yo close family friend and 17 yo DSS are all critical in their own ways.

Their cynicism appears to have come from seeing peers jumping on the bandwagon for attention. Two friends are seen as “genuinely” trans and are exempt from their disapproval.

Aside from the attention seeking, one of DS’s friends has been called transphobic and ‘truscum’ at school because he is gay and said he wouldn’t be interested in dating transboys unless they looked like boys.

They reserve a similar level of eye rolling for those who loudly proclaim themselves as bi/pan but who would never actually date anyone of the same sex.

DD said “trans women are women / trans men are men” is just what everyone says because “save the turtles” and “no single use plastics” have been done to death. Virtual signalling for a new generation.

Not here. 15yo dd is very woke, full-on TWAW. 13yo ds is heavily influenced by his sister.

My own observation though is that younger teens often don't have the abstract thought to really carefully analyse the problems of it all. An in fact sometimes it's the ones where they are more ahead that way who fall for it, because they are somewhat able to conceptualize an idea of gender apart from sex. But even those children are still not able to analyse the ideas and see how they fit together (or don't fit together) at the level of an older teen or young adult.

I think this is part of the push to get it into schools young. They know the kids that age don't have a lot of robust ability to be really skeptical yet.

@salooone I really hope there are no negative repercussions for the female pupil who ID as a kettle.

I love it, as it shows the ridiculousness of selfID vs. reality.

My 18yo dd has turned in the last 6 months. Will say TWAW but thinks that transwomen don't belong in women's sport or prisons and that genital preferences aren't transphobic which contradicts TWAW but there you go.

God I hope so. I don't have teen DC yet so can't comment from personal experience.

With the pace at which things have been moving recently, becoming more ridiculous by the day, surely it can't go much further before it falls out of favour.