Surrey Police Commissioner: Stonewall pushes dangerous trans ideology

Patrol cars with rainbow colours on. To encourage people to report hate on social media?

Someone on Twitter called them 'Pander cars' which did make me

My exMiL has form for leaning into Police cars that are 'branded' or 'sloganned' in some way and saying in her best Joyce Grenfell voice, 'Aren't you terribly embarrassed to be driving that?' leaving police officers open-mouthed or gibbering about 'initiatives' while she huffs off.

God love her.

Hate crime cars???

I googled.

Patrol cars with rainbow colours on. To encourage people to report hate on social media?

Outside on a car?

I don't get this at all. What about all the other groups that get shit?

How is it going to look when rainbow branded car is there while the police do racist shit and someone is recording?

I just don't get this at all. Our police are appalling. Met. Cruising around in rainbow cars while in pursuit? I mean.

I'm totally baffled. This is just weird.

“ "On reflection maybe the words "challenge the views vehemently" should have been used, however, we caught the eyes of the right people, now have a meeting in the diary with Surrey OPCC"”

Oh, they’ll have done that all right! I wonder if the meeting is under caution?

Sorry, wrong thread...

A statement from Surrey Police PCC

Statement by the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey

The Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend says she felt compelled to speak out on behalf of the women in Surrey who have contacted her after an interview was published this week reflecting her views on gender and the Stonewall organisation.
The Commissioner said that concerns about gender self-identification had been first raised with her during her successful election campaign and continues to be raised now.
Her perspective on the issues and her fears over the direction that the Stonewall organisation is taking were first published on the Mail Online over the weekend.
She said that whilst those views were personal and something she feels passionately about, she also felt she had a duty to raise them publicly on behalf of those women who had expressed their concerns.
The Commissioner said she wanted to clarify that despite what has been reported, she hasn’t, and would not, demand that Surrey Police stop working with Stonewall although she has made her views clear to the Chief Constable.
She has also wanted to express her support for the broad range of work that Surrey Police carry out to ensure they remain an inclusive organisation.
The Commissioner said: “I firmly believe in the importance of the law in protecting everybody, regardless of sex, gender, ethnicity, age, sexual orientation or any other characteristic. Each of us has the right to voice our concerns when we believe a particular policy has the potential for harm.

“I do not believe, however, that the law is clear enough in this area and is too open to interpretation which is leading to confusion and inconsistencies in approach.
“Because of this, I have severe concerns with the stance taken by Stonewall. I want to be clear that I am not opposed to the hard-won rights of the trans community. The issue I have is that I don’t believe Stonewall recognise there is a conflict between women’s rights and trans rights.
“I don’t believe we should be shutting down that debate and should be asking instead how we can resolve it.
“That is why I wanted to air these views on the public stage and speak up for those people who have contacted me. As Police and Crime Commissioner, I have a duty to reflect the concerns of the communities I serve, and if I can’t raise these, who can?”
“I don’t believe we need Stonewall in order to ensure we are inclusive, and other forces and public bodies have clearly also come to this conclusion.
“This is a complex and very emotive topic. I know my views will not be shared by everyone but I believe we only ever make progress by asking challenging questions, and having difficult conversations.”

www.surrey-pcc.gov.uk/statement-by-the-office-of-the-police-and-crime-commissioner-for-surrey/

If there is now a meeting and everyone wants to have an open conversation then this is progress. #NoDebate is definitely over, that we know. I'd like Surrey Police, not Lisa Townsend but the Surrey Police Force itself, to make it clear whether they think that "trans rights" includes the 'right' to single sex spaces provided for the opposite sex?

It would also be interesting to know whether gender critical views, that are considered worthy of respect in a democratic society, are in direct conflict with "trans rights", according to Surrey Police.

twitter.com/surreypolice/status/1430857482591739913?s=21

Is Pride like Stonewall now, nothing to do with same sex attraction and everything to do with the rights of TWs to obliterate the female sex? I wish someone would ask them straight "What rights do TWs want that they don't already have?" The reply of "Access all areas female" would surely make the citizens of Hastings sit up and take notice.......

I also really object to the disingenuous absurdity of their suggestion that they think the "movement" part of the definition of "force" refers to a political group rather than physical motion.

"On reflection maybe the words "challenge the views vehemently" should have been used, however, we caught the eyes of the right people, now have a meeting in the diary with Surrey OPCC"

That "however" sounds very much like, "our plausibly deniable threatening comment got us what we wanted, so whatever."

Maybe I've become excessively cynical...

That statement isn't that much better.

Pride In Surrey have had another go at that statement:

www.prideinsurrey.org/response-to-the-published-public-view-of-the-surrey-police-crime-commission

They say the original was misunderstood:
Our initial post had a line confirming that we'd challenge the views of Lisa Townsend with force. We've since amended this statement as it has been misconstrued.

I'm not quite sure how you can misconstrue the phrase "challenge with force" tbh... what exactly did they mean?!

Rubbish non statement from Surrey police…. “Trans rights are human rights”…. Completely misses the point

Posie P sends her thanks to Lisa too.

I see Lisa has shared the new article with Simon Callow criticising Stonewall in the Times.

https://twitter.com/lisaa_townsend/status/1430408105351864321?s=21

Thanks for that info @Oldbadger1 have emailed Lisa.

I hope she gets enough support to stick to her guns.

That is a brave and stunning lady.

The sound of a male voice can be absolutely terrifying when they've been subjected to violence from males and shouting in a loud, deep voice," she said. "When you hear that again it brings back that trauma, so they need some time."

I wouldn't be "proud " if you can read that and dismiss it as in the way of trans rights.

Pride in Surrey's tweet response to that article Eresh.

How childish, and completely not acknowledging the very valid points made still it shows you how much they care about women in refuges.

I voted for her just before I left Surrey in May of this year. I’ve never voted Tory in my life.

I sent emails to all the candidates and her reply (I only got two) made it clear she knew exactly what I was talking about and what my concerns were. She also said she understood how toxic the debate had become and she thanked me for raising the issue with her.

I’m so pleased she got in.

You should see a screen shot of it here Betty

twitter.com/manda_ponium/status/1430278706992386050?s=21

Pride in Surrey's tweet response to that article Eresh.

The ratio on their tweet was a thing of beauty, seems they are not as au fait with the views of the public as they think they are.

This group also have something to say about the article.

we acknowledge the groundbreaking work done by Stonewall and realise that the inclusion of minoritized individuals never excludes other parties

They’re not a ‘group’, they’re 2 unemployed twenty-something year old men desperate to get their little Facebook page with its 122 “likes” noticed.

By telling women that including men in our spaces never excludes other parties, and by that they mean women.

From the article in the Surrey newspaper that OhHolyjesus posted, with women's sector professionals defending her and agreeing with her comments:

Fiamma Pather is CEO of Your Sanctuary, a Surrey charity for survivors of domestic abuse which has single-sex refuges. She told SurreyLive: "Everybody can't be lumped into one and supported, it just doesn't work."

She said everyone is deserving of support and their outreach service and helpline is there for everyone but "one size does not fit all".

"The sound of a male voice can be absolutely terrifying when they've been subjected to violence from males and shouting in a loud, deep voice," she said. "When you hear that again it brings back that trauma, so they need some time."

"Unfortunately people are very quick to jump on the bandwagon that if you're pro women-only spaces then you're automatically transphobic. I think people don't always understand the nuances and it's a pity debate is often shut down."

Charlotte Kneer, CEO of Reigate and Banstead Women's Aid, also said gender neutral services do not work for women who have suffered domestic abuse.

She said: “Lisa came out to one of our refuges and was interested to know what the women who live there thought about the subject. We found her to be very supportive and wanting to listen and make a difference.


"We should be listening to the voices of the vulnerable women in the refuges. Even if their views could be seen as unpalatable to some, they’re vulnerable and their views should be taken into account.”

www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/womens-refuge-hits-back-pccs-21389631.amp