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Sadiq Khan has sacked Joan Smith from the London VAWG board

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countrypunk · 19/08/2021 10:07

Activist 'sacked after raising concerns about transwomen in refuges'
mol.im/a/9906833

Also in the Times. I'm disgusted. It's such cynical game-playing from Khan, all to appease a tiny minority of TRAs. There's no way he actually believes this stuff.

I'm going to write to him. Joan Smith is a feminist rock star.

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TrainedByCats · 19/08/2021 14:19

@Jorrris

Honestly we need a few high profile cases before people start to understand that this is discriminatory and unacceptable.

Absolutely we need this. He's breaking the law. She is allowed to raise very valid concerns about safeguarding and she is allowed to hold GC views. He does not get to remove her from post because he doesn't like that. I'm happy to do some gardening for her legal costs, as I'm sure many of us are. She only needs to ask.

I really hope she brings a case against him and the board. My bank card is at the ready Grin
HermioneWeasley · 19/08/2021 14:13

My contempt for Khan and Labour for this knows no bounds.

It still falls short of their contempt for women.

Tootsweets23 · 19/08/2021 13:57

@Jaysmith71 "Sadiq isn't a true believer. He's feeding the crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last."

This is so true. And makes him even more shameful and cowardly.

PickleC · 19/08/2021 13:48

So, a woman with a vast amount of experience researching and writing about male violence makes a measured reasonable statement about the need for services for everyone but that women need their own separate facilities for good and proven reasons and that is enough for a man with no experience to drop her from her role.

But hey, whoever is replacing her won't be guilty of thought crime so all's well. And this in the week when male violence and entitlement has been highlighted again and again.

mollythemeerkat · 19/08/2021 13:41

Any women still voting Labour ? I have a few friends who are massively pro Labour and seem to just ignore the whole DESTRUCTION OF WOMENS RIGHTS thing, and I am baffled by them

Me too SirVix - one is head of our local Labour party womens section and her argument seems to be that she knows people with trans children! Hadnt heard of Helen Joyce`s book and seems to have done no reading on the gender critical side. I have tried.

Khan is a joke and not a funny one.

BaronMunchausen · 19/08/2021 13:17

@countrypunk

Hasn't it just *@Signalbox*! I'm sure lots of you have already seen this, but Shahrar Ali is running for Green Party leadership and he's pro women's sex-based rights. I'm thinking about joining to vote for him, but it pisses me off that I'd have to vote for a bloke for traction on this issue in the GP. The gender critical women get shoved out, and the men survive. Funny that.
The grim reality is that a man won't be given as hard a time as a woman.

Which makes Sadiq Khan's position all the more deplorable of course.

Also, some of the most prominent advocates of the TWAW mantra have been women: Siân Berry shoved off because Shahrar Ali was given a spokesperson role. It will hopefully be only the beginning if the women who left can return to vote for him.

ANewCreation · 19/08/2021 12:44

At such a time as this, with Plymouth and Afghanistan at the forefront of our minds, to sack such a high calibre, knowledgeable woman - what were you thinking of, Mr Khan?

There needs to be specialist support for trans people who are victims of violence. Rates are said to be high. Trans people have a unique experience which cannot be best served in a 'standard' male or female setting.

Put London taxpayers' money into helping them. Set up facilities with expertise to meet their particular needs, where they can freely share with peers who have a similar lived experience.

But for goodness sake, Mr Khan, can you not muster a scrap of empathy for women whose trauma response means they cannot heal with any males around, no matter how femininely you think they present or how lovely you think they are, because they have been victims of male violence.

Why are female people the only civil rights movement not allowed to centre ourselves in our own activism?

Also, to tell someone by email after 8 years in the job. What a cowardly, weaselly way to go about things.

Own your misogyny, Mr Khan.

countrypunk · 19/08/2021 12:28

Hasn't it just @Signalbox! I'm sure lots of you have already seen this, but Shahrar Ali is running for Green Party leadership and he's pro women's sex-based rights. I'm thinking about joining to vote for him, but it pisses me off that I'd have to vote for a bloke for traction on this issue in the GP. The gender critical women get shoved out, and the men survive. Funny that.

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Beowulfa · 19/08/2021 12:24

Although voting for candidates like bin face instead of credible opposition does allow these men such as Khan a better chance of getting in.

Sadly there wasn't really anything that could be described as credible opposition. Greens and LDs tying themselves in gender-woo knots; Tory candidate bonkers.

Binface technically did better than the UKIP candidate I think.

Signalbox · 19/08/2021 12:09

[quote countrypunk]Here's a link to the coverage in the Times for anyone who hasn't seen:

epaper.thetimes.co.uk/the-times/20210819/282123524585766[/quote]
So appointed by Johnson and sacked by Khan. The world has gone tospy turvy!

IvyTwines2 · 19/08/2021 12:06

And this after the week we've just had, with the loss of women's rights and the threat posed by male violence so much in the headlines! It makes me worry (as a former Labour Party member) that if Labour in its current form got in power we'd go the way of Scotland.

countrypunk · 19/08/2021 12:02

Here's a link to the coverage in the Times for anyone who hasn't seen:

epaper.thetimes.co.uk/the-times/20210819/282123524585766

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DoubleShotEspresso · 19/08/2021 11:51

I just despair at the unquestionable power this idiotic, self-serving male is permitted to continue wielding.
Who the hell voted for him again? I'm furious

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 19/08/2021 11:49

@Enough4me

It's in The Times and a few posts into the comments and there's a man saying TW in female spaces isn't an issue and anyway there are easier ways to access women, no man would pretend to be a woman to do this. I kid you not.
Yes I saw that gem earlier - such a complete refusal to see the problem. Men are going to rape anyway blah blah...people are going to steal anyway, so why bother locking your doors Hmm.

They don't get it because they don't have to get it, or I'm starting to realise they just don't want to get it, because to acknowledge the problem would be a slight inconvenience to them.

Much better to denounce crazy women making a fuss over nothing. Arsehole!

Signalbox · 19/08/2021 11:43

I believe you would still be protected from discrimination even in a voluntary role.

I take it back it appears you can!

www.ncvo.org.uk/ncvo-volunteering/if-volunteering-goes-wrong

Sadiq Khan has sacked Joan Smith from the London VAWG board
KittenKong · 19/08/2021 11:43

He is full rainbow. You only have to look at his twitter feed... full on...

Signalbox · 19/08/2021 11:39

@Mollyollydolly

It wasn't a paid role so don't know if that affects Joans position re taking legal action. God these people discuss me. Joan is an amazing woman. My disgust at Labour knows no bounds.
I believe you would still be protected from discrimination even in a voluntary role.
InvisibleDragon · 19/08/2021 11:33

It will be interesting to see how this plays out at The Guardian. It won't look good of they cancel their renowned expert on male violence and terrorism for wrongspeak about safeguarding.

Mollyollydolly · 19/08/2021 11:31

It wasn't a paid role so don't know if that affects Joans position re taking legal action. God these people discuss me. Joan is an amazing woman. My disgust at Labour knows no bounds.

Jorrris · 19/08/2021 11:06

The reputational slaughter of women continues.

Yes. We will fight back.

Abhannmor · 19/08/2021 11:06

Is Joan Smith ' semi detached' at the Guardian - has a certain party got a petition in mind? Sue their asses Joan...I will defo chip in to any crowd funder.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 19/08/2021 10:58

@Floisme

Also the author of something that might also be deeply relevant: Grown: How Domestic Violence Turns Men Into Terrorists Yes, such is my rage, I forgot about that!. Thank you.
I knew you knew - and in my annoyance, I omitted Home from the title - but it was more spelling out for myself the full breadth of Smith's relevant knowledge and history.

Why on earth. When I think of the truly egregious errors that some figures make and yet they remain in post with scarcely a blemish beyond 'boys will be boys' to their gossip biography - yet a knowledgeable woman with contemporary expertise is treated like this.

The reputational slaughter of women continues.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 19/08/2021 10:57

A male has sacked a female from a board dealing with violence against women and girls, because that female expressed concerns about males being allowed into female only refuges?

This ^

Men have spoken. And because a woman spoke, out she goes.

Pathetic.

Floisme · 19/08/2021 10:53

Also the author of something that might also be deeply relevant: Grown: How Domestic Violence Turns Men Into Terrorists
Yes, such is my rage, I forgot about that!. Thank you.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 19/08/2021 10:52

Interesting reply from Rhona Hotchkiss:

I was the subject of multiple complaints to The Ethical Standards Commissioner because apparently my ‘transphobic’ views should not be tolerated in a member of a public board. The complaints were all dismissed. DM me if you want more info

twitter.com/HotchkissRhona/status/1428277834083090433?s=20