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Sadiq Khan has sacked Joan Smith from the London VAWG board

133 replies

countrypunk · 19/08/2021 10:07

Activist 'sacked after raising concerns about transwomen in refuges'
mol.im/a/9906833

Also in the Times. I'm disgusted. It's such cynical game-playing from Khan, all to appease a tiny minority of TRAs. There's no way he actually believes this stuff.

I'm going to write to him. Joan Smith is a feminist rock star.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 19/08/2021 22:39

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman

Found it - it's 3/4 of the way down this page: www.vccp.com/work/tfl/tfl-stands-against-hate-on-public-transport

Screenshot taken.

And archived: archive.is/RMXtu
SweetGrapes · 19/08/2021 22:33

Men really take care of their own, don't they! Women are just tolerated and always at the table only on sufferance.

Sadiq Khan better stick to his day job of running London and NOT teach me what to think Hmm

Cloudinthesky · 19/08/2021 19:08

@Floisme

Also the author of something that might also be deeply relevant: Grown: How Domestic Violence Turns Men Into Terrorists Yes, such is my rage, I forgot about that!. Thank you.
It's an excellent book and very easy read/listen, despite the depressing subject matter. If anyone is looking for their next read then that could be a way of supporting Joan. It's also available on Audible. Smile
ArabellaScott · 19/08/2021 18:50

[quote howonearthdidwegethere]WPUK have got a letter to Sadiq Khan which anyone can sign:

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1428345950129504262[/quote]
Signed.

The reputational slaughter of women continues.

Oof. Yes, that's it.

nepeta · 19/08/2021 18:42

Sadiq Khan's office has often tweeted the mantra "transwomen are women, trans men are men, nonbinary are nonbinary." That is intended to be debate-stopping, and in tweets by other people often an explicit #nodebate is added.

So I can't ask if I am still a woman as my 'identity' is entirely based on experiences I have obtained by living with a female body all my life. That mantra at least suggests that I am now not a woman as I don't share the abstract gender identity trans women have. Or perhaps there are now two kinds of women, one group being defined by identity alone and the other by female body? I doubt the latter interpretation, given that the female body is rapidly turning into a gender-neutral body

So the mantra excludes me from womanhood. And the 'nonbinary is nonbinary' obviously means that everyone else is binary! If I still accept the label 'woman', then I am assumed to embrace femininity (being passive, submissive, emotional and nurturing). If I don't agree with that one, then I am forcibly transed.

The nonbinary category is incredibly retrogressive and sexist in what it assumes binary means.

knittingaddict · 19/08/2021 17:30

[quote Lynnikins]Here is a letter to Sadiq Khan expressing solidarity with Joan Smith. Please sign and share it.

docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeiMgS60-sJwZ36iZ3sG27K9foxZ4DfM3PlYQ1UTKF-000Zeg/viewform[/quote]
I've signed.

Also added a personal note about my daughter and her time in a women's refuge.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 19/08/2021 17:02

Found it - it's 3/4 of the way down this page: www.vccp.com/work/tfl/tfl-stands-against-hate-on-public-transport

Screenshot taken.

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 19/08/2021 16:59

Appalling - really hope she considers taking legal action.

endofthelinefinally · 19/08/2021 16:46

I am pretty sure it is on the tfl website. It was on SK's manifesto page during the London Mayoral elections too.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 19/08/2021 16:42

Has anyone got a photo of 'that poster'? I'm almost never in London, and I wish I'd taken one now.

I think it would be handy to have a cache of things like this to direct people to who worry that they're becoming conspiracy theorists ('Am I imagining it or are women's rights taking a hit?') or who claim that we're getting our fluffy little head all bothered about something that isn't really happening.

London can be a deeply uncomfortable place in which to be a woman - I was sexually harassed there when younger, DD has been harassed there within the past year - but London isn't united against misogyny.

Fuck no.

endofthelinefinally · 19/08/2021 16:38

Mealy mouthed.
Bandwaggoning.
Cowardly.
Just a few words that come to mind.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/08/2021 16:36

Another one who's looked at that poster and wondered how anyone who travels on public transport in London could miss the relentless sexual harassment of girls and women.
Evidently Khan can and has missed it - or he is supremely disinterested. I'm a bit surprised as allegedly he is the parent of daughters. But here we are - not only is he disinterested, he has been so captured by the trans lobby that he actively works against women's interests and prioritises demands made by men. Like so many left wing men.

PickleC · 19/08/2021 16:21

Saw that poster for the first time the other week on the tube and thought the same. Apparently 'sex' as a protected characteristic is the one that can be easily ignored without any comeback or thought. Although its worse than that, because it took thought and a deliberate act to leave it out

Lynnikins · 19/08/2021 16:20

Here is a letter to Sadiq Khan expressing solidarity with Joan Smith. Please sign and share it.

docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeiMgS60-sJwZ36iZ3sG27K9foxZ4DfM3PlYQ1UTKF-000Zeg/viewform

LizzieSiddal · 19/08/2021 16:12

I too hope shown is taking legal advise. My money is ready if she needs it.

334bu · 19/08/2021 16:11

Appalling decision.

endofthelinefinally · 19/08/2021 16:06

Of course the biggest problem on the tube is groping/ harrassment of women and girls by men, and men watching loud porn on their phones.
This isn't mentioned on Sadiq's poster.

Artichokeleaves · 19/08/2021 16:04

Apparently the most important thing in providing help to females who have suffered VAWG is to ensure that male people's needs are met first, and only females compliant and supportive of this are able to access services.

Again: in absolutely bloody everything; the most important thing about females is always how whatever is going on with them affects males. Demonstrating why female people need female only spaces and services provided only by females so that sometimes when they are really struggling they are allowed to come first and have their best interests met. Increasingly Mr Khan I'm beginning to think they need female only political parties and representation for the same reason.

endofthelinefinally · 19/08/2021 16:02

Yes, that tfl poster really annoys me.
Sadiq Khan annoys me too. He cares nothing for the rights of women and girls. Never has.

EdgeOfACoin · 19/08/2021 15:59

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman

I recently saw a poster on the tube. It said something along the lines of 'London united against hate. We stand in opposition to discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity, disability, sexuality and gender identity. Office of the Mayor of London.' No mention of sex, which annoyed me so much that I almost stopped to take a photo.

So this is shameful but hardly surprising.

Yes, I've seen that poster. Raises my hackles every time.
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catzwhiskas · 19/08/2021 15:06

Where else are competent women being pushed out of public roles and life? Let me see.... very reminiscent of Gilead but in actual real countries too. as the great woman NGO leader in Afghanistan said, it’s always about the men. ( tbh I may have paraphrased a little there, but it was pretty clear)

Enough4me · 19/08/2021 15:04

Thanks @howonearthdidwegethere I will sign and encourage others to make their feelings known 👆

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 19/08/2021 14:52

I recently saw a poster on the tube.
It said something along the lines of 'London united against hate. We stand in opposition to discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity, disability, sexuality and gender identity. Office of the Mayor of London.'
No mention of sex, which annoyed me so much that I almost stopped to take a photo.

So this is shameful but hardly surprising.

howonearthdidwegethere · 19/08/2021 14:37

WPUK have got a letter to Sadiq Khan which anyone can sign:

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1428345950129504262