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A Green Party leader to 'welcome politically homeless women'

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GreenGretel · 18/08/2021 11:20

A candidate in the Green Party election contest wants to welcome back women who have been left politically homeless by the assault on sex-based rights.

I'd urge any Green-minded people to join or re-join the party by 27th Aug in order to vote for Shahrar Ali. You can join (if only temporarily) for as little as £13 here: join.greenparty.org.uk/

Shahrar Ali stands a good chance of winning, having previously been deputy leader and gaining 24% of first-preference votes in 2020. He is speaking up unequivocally for women's sex-based rights. You can read his full statement on Facebook here: www.facebook.com/ShahrarAliGreenParty/posts/190051301345352.

He is also in the Guardian here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/17/green-transgender-rights-row-leadership-shahrar-ali-sian-berry

If Shahrar wins, he will be the first leader of a British political party willing to stand up to gender identity ideology.

A Green Party leader to 'welcome politically homeless women'
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Hedgehogface · 01/10/2021 12:00

Well worth reading this article for a bit of perspective on this:
www.thecut.com/2019/09/ask-polly-my-kid-is-nonbinary-and-i-cant-get-over-it.html

Iwishihadariver · 01/10/2021 11:53

It would make sense to stick around and put the new leaders on notice that we want to support their climate action priorities but need them to recognise our concerns regarding erosion of women's rights.

Iwishihadariver · 01/10/2021 11:49

@GreenieFingers

Thanks Carriemac, I know that this did happen to quite a few members and was hoping that you were in fact able to vote. It would be an interesting question to ask how many recent applicants were not able to vote, with query cases still outstanding. However I don't believe that there was any intention to deprive members of their right to vote. Cheers!
I had to chase my voting code with the Election Returning Officer ERO. I've had years of experience working with excellent local authority EROs & I think the GP election officials just aren't as good, especially if they were inundated with new members. So perhaps no plot.
WitchButNotTheFunKind · 01/10/2021 11:42

I’m not sure I can stick around, Shahkar Ali was my last hope for an environmental party and I felt ill joining the party that sheltered the Challenors to vote for him.

It feels like we can do too little and by supporting them it’s taken as agreement to all their policies

DismantledKing · 01/10/2021 11:39

Both the winners have their pronouns in their twitter profiles. Not good news.

TooWicked · 01/10/2021 11:29

@AnotherLass

I think this is hugely better than Tamsin winning - Tamsin has gone all out on gender in the most grotesque way, the winners have not.
Wasn’t it Carla Denyer who organised the takeover of Green Party Women by gender ideologists. It’s pretty clear where she stand wrt to women and their rights.

This is so disappointing. I’ll stick around for a month as requested but I’m not hopeful for the Greens as my new political home.

NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 11:24

I’m confused. I thought only one candidate/pair was eliminated per round, but it appears that three were eliminated in the first round.

Given the percentages, you can eliminate all 3 in one go as a shortcut.

Even if every Gunstock and Rothery/Hemingway voter had Ali as second choice, he'd still only have 23% and then still be up for elimination in the third round.

Cattenberg · 01/10/2021 11:21

I’m confused. I thought only one candidate/pair was eliminated per round, but it appears that three were eliminated in the first round.

I’m glad at least that Womack and Omond haven’t won, but I can’t support Denver and Ramsay. I can’t see any point in staying a Green Party member - if I ever speak up for what I think is right, I’ll probably be expelled.

AnotherLass · 01/10/2021 11:13

I think this is hugely better than Tamsin winning - Tamsin has gone all out on gender in the most grotesque way, the winners have not.

prudencepuffin · 01/10/2021 11:08

Not good but will stick around for a month or so to see what happens next and where the focus is.

Manderleyagain · 01/10/2021 11:07

So one fifth of the vote. I got the impression that the womack team were more ott on wokeness (for want of a better word) than the winning pair. Disappointing but not that surprising I suppose.

OldTurtleNewShell · 01/10/2021 11:06

It's a bloody disappointment. I was hoping for a landslide that would send a signal to the other parties. I guess we're not there yet.

I will ask though for anyone who joined for this to please stay. There are more votes coming up and more we can to do turn the Greens around.

WarriorN · 01/10/2021 11:03

Arse indeed.

However, I'm committed to supporting green women and girls and won't be flouncing.

RottenRowGal · 01/10/2021 11:02

Oh fucking hell. How disappointing and yet unsurprising.

So women still have no decent voting options.

Manderleyagain · 01/10/2021 11:02

Greens elect twitter account reporting the break down of votes.
mobile.twitter.com/Greens_Elects/status/1443877403449872406

First round:
@carla_denyer & @AdrianRamsay 43.9%
@Amelia_Womack & @tamsinomond 30.07%
@ShahrarAli 21.02%
Tina Rothery & Martin Hemingway: 2.%
@AshleyGunstock 1%

Threshold was not met, Ashley Gunstock, Tina Rothery/Martin Hemingway and Shahrar Ali are eliminated.

Final round:
@carla_denyer & @AdrianRamsay 61.65%
@Amelia_Womack @tamsinomond 38.35%

@carla_denyer &
@AdrianRamsay
elected.

JustcameoutGC · 01/10/2021 11:01

arse

Manderleyagain · 01/10/2021 10:50

BBC report Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay as new co-leaders.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58761003.amp

GreenieFingers · 01/10/2021 00:09

London is a law unto itself unfortunately. We need everyone's help to deal with the problems there.

dyslek · 30/09/2021 14:37

@GreenieFingers

Thanks Carriemac, I know that this did happen to quite a few members and was hoping that you were in fact able to vote. It would be an interesting question to ask how many recent applicants were not able to vote, with query cases still outstanding. However I don't believe that there was any intention to deprive members of their right to vote. Cheers!
With reports of new members being given the run around and now whats happened in the London election for Womans officer it looks very much like some are trying to intentionaly deprive members of their right to vote.
Cwenthryth · 30/09/2021 14:31

If any green members on this thread are in London, there are shenanigans afoot in a regional election as well that you can vote on and help promote a GC candidate within the party

twitter.com/greenfemsuk/status/1443342636006379524?s=21

GreenieFingers · 29/09/2021 14:28

Thanks Carriemac, I know that this did happen to quite a few members and was hoping that you were in fact able to vote.

It would be an interesting question to ask how many recent applicants were not able to vote, with query cases still outstanding. However I don't believe that there was any intention to deprive members of their right to vote. Cheers!

Carriemac · 29/09/2021 14:07

I used an email address I check every day . I check the junk mail too. I was not sent a voting code until I requested it, then chased two days later . It came into my email box then.

GreenieFingers · 29/09/2021 13:18

There seem to be various things that happened regarding voting.
Some people forgot that they had used a different email to register their application and eventually found their voting code when they checked.
Others hadn't noticed their voting code email within the regular correspondence from the Green Party.
In other cases, neither of the above options appear to have applied and these cases must have happened too. The Officers who were dealing with this problem issued replacement links / codes. However as many people did not raise their concerns until nearing the deadline, there could have been some who either did not realise that they did have the code already or the numbers may have been too high to process all cases before the deadline. On this last aspect I have no concrete information, but understand that this could have applied.
I have personal experience of this too but not in respect of the Leadership election, as I hadn't realised that I'd registered under a different email account I have which shows my name and not a bit of hocus pocus.

Carriemac were you able to vote or did the Officers involved fail to send you a replacement vote in time?

Carriemac · 29/09/2021 12:53

I'm not sure I agree . I had to request my voting code which should have been sent automatically and definitely wasn't . As a new member I felt I was being screened out.

GreenieFingers · 28/09/2021 19:25

There is definitely no TerfBlocker involved in the elections or membership. Other GC women have joined and voted without any problems at all.

I've spoken to a few members who thought they hadn't been given their votes but eventually found that they had in fact received the email although missed the deadline.

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