UK academic sues university after losing role in critical race theory row

[quote upthefrogs]@highame your comment about CRT letting wealthy people off the hook is really interesting. I know this is an imposition but if you had the time to expand on it I’d be so fascinated.[/quote]
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@highame your comment about CRT letting wealthy people off the hook is really interesting. I know this is an imposition but if you had the time to expand on it I’d be so fascinated.

This might be of interest:

In passing I did wonder whether the username @upthefrogs is a reference to Aristophanes.

We could also note the Australian use of 'bastard' as a term of endearment. In the trenches of Gallipoli, the Turks came to believe it was the name of the Australian God, so often did they call it in aid.

That is not to say that when an Australian call you this, he is necessarily being friendly.

Another Aussie jibe between mates is the term first applied to the new migrants from Greece, Italy and Croatia etc in the 50s & 60s, who in White Australia at that time were known as the wogs.

it’s staggeringly racist to expect all black people to share one hive mind on politics or anything else? How does this reductive viewpoint survive even a moment’s thought?

It doesn't. It only survives in certain academic and political circles where it's very unlikely to be threatened by a thought.

The term coconut is a jibe, often used in a light-hearted manner amongst 2nd generation immigrants. I have often used this to refer to myself and has in no way ever been considered "racist".

N*ger is used affectionately between friends too; I still wouldn't expect to get away with calling a political opponent one.

Pod cast on critical race theory

From the horses mouth

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I've mentioned Kenan Malik's book 'From Fatwa to Jihad' in another thread. In it, he wryly recounts that in the space of a few short years he went from being referred to as Indian, then Pakistani, then black, then Asian, and finally Muslim.

@upthefrogs from what I've read, companies are adding more diversity to their boards and also supporting diversity in their advertising, who they give money to etc., support visibly (that could be one of the reasons trans rights has been bumped up the agenda, it's a new group to band-waggon). I read/listened to a webinar where 'greenwashing' was used as a comparator. Companies with no intentions of greening had departments focusing on the environment and these departments grew and grew. The same has happened with the equality - the companies employ diversity guru's who then grow their departments to the point where they have massive influence over all matters of policy. The departments can move through all the diversity groups at random and companies look like they are thoroughly on board with equality, but they are only interested in the superficial equality, not paying more equal wages.

It has become more obvious recently with big tech, who are 'taking over the world' with massive wealth for some whilst the workers (of all groups) are paid poorly. Things might have got worse for workers since the 'equality bandwagon' of CRT took off. It's new and therefore holds the attention of the young more than class based theory. If you look at the old style Marxists - they haven't changed their view, Class is important. Same with GC feminists, sex is the oppressor as opposed to third wave, who think language matters. In all cases, the superficial is a bullseye for capitalism, can earn as much as you like and widen the equality gap, whilst pandering to the academic interpretation....and the Harvard guys get to keep their positions in society - top of the pile

Hope you get the drift, only on my second coffee.

Can I also just say in the 90s I suffered mostly Rasict abuse from people on the right

But now I have to say most of the racism is coming from the left

The re introduction of segregation by race

The re introduction of group guilt

Race being made into the most important factor about someone

And the idea of equality of out come rather than opportunity

People placing worth on what you say based on your race rather than what’s actually said 🤷‍♀️

The re racialist view is very scary

@highame your comment about CRT letting wealthy people off the hook is really interesting. I know this is an imposition but if you had the time to expand on it I’d be so fascinated.

Mango1982 it's absolutely crazy. This 'progressive' madness is all from the same rule book.

@LazyViper you would have to ask the likes of James o Brian the new type of progressive has no tolerance for any view that upsets the Apple cart

Did you see the videos of Antifa shouting coon and Uncle Tom at black officers during the blm riots in the Us 😳 while holding BLM a flags

The look of confusion I get when people realise I am a conservative because they assume all black people have the exact same view as David lammy and dr Shoa 🤷‍♀️

The issue boils down to the fact they simply wouldn’t allow any black people on with counter views until talk radio and GB news came along

So people assume we all think the same
I am fiercely against CRT

I have been appalled by BLM and think their harmful to black people and racial relations in general

And I really wish footballers stop pretending kneeling is not interwoven with BLM and keep out of politics

Setting aside the slurs used, surely it’s staggeringly racist to expect all black people to share one hive mind on politics or anything else? How does this reductive viewpoint survive even a moment’s thought?

I believe Biden said if you don’t vote for me your not really black

He did.

This is not exactly on topic but I hope it's a contribution to the debate.

My old housekeeper (moved to Texas now) is Latina. She told me that she was criticized by her friends and family for "trying to be one of the white girls" because she was careful in her language and was following her doctor's advice to lose weight (she had very high BP, diabetes, high triglycerides) and advising them to do the same, given that they had the same problems, as a result of their diet and not taking exercise. One of her friends had a son of 11 who was diabetic, mother (also diabetic) couldn't work as she had to take care of him, electricity cut off (we did get that bit sorted out).

She lost a lot of weight in the time I knew her and controlled her diabetes through diet, despite not having proper healthcare before Obamacare, & did what exercise she could.

Go figure.

Yeah nice try. When you throw a ball up in the air it falls back down to the ground. Do people not learn that these days?
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*issue for a while that literally has been happening no one bats a eye lid at the racial abuse thrown it’s often who’s saying the thing rather than the thing there saying some of the rasict things Biden has said and people were like 🤷‍♀️He’s on our team
I believe Biden said if you don’t vote for me your not really black😳 *

I think crt means a lot of different things to different people, but at it's core it's the idea that institutional and structural racism exists and part of that is the white people may not be aware of their privilege. Not engaging with it because you see similarities with some things people say and TRA rhetoric means that we end up understanding less about both the oppression of women and bkack people. This is also means the pomo/Judith butler nonsense strengthens its reach

I just don't think academia is quite so separated by nationality, it's a very integrated system on an international basis. Academia is IMO as much where this has begun to infiltrate the population at large, and academics outside the US don't seem to be any more immune to CRT.

....and in reflection of the Craig David anecdote, Jimi Hendrix had to come to London to play rock. In the US, he was pigeonholed in a way he would not be over here.

...Sure they're idiots, but the semiotic anchor they reach for is part of an imported discourse. We are different. When Craig David toured the US, he was told to keep his white guitarist offstage. To his credit, he refused.

Is the problem with interpreting a suffragette ribbon as a noose really that the UK has a different history? Or that it's completely idiotic and probably a deliberate attempt to falsely accuse people of bigotry?

I don't see it as all that different than the guy who went into the cafe with old pictures of coal miners from the Appalachians and accused the cafe owner of posting pictures of people in racist blackface.

CRT doesn't make more sense in the US, it's still a pernicious and in my view racist philosophy. It perhaps makes more historical sense that it because very popular there first. But the UK and other countries already have many of the precursors of CT, including a certain kind of mutated marxism, and postmodernism. Plus it's a way to try and assert power for some. So it's maybe inevitabble it would spread outside the US.

We could also recall Rio Ferdinand, defending his brother who was the victim of racist language used by John Terry, who called Terry's team-mate Ashley Cole a coconut for giving Terry a good reference.

As noted above, we should be wary of importing US discourses whole if not predigested, because that way, as in another thread here, a Suffragette ribbon on a fence becomes 'a noose in a tree,' an image that has no place in UK history.

We all know there are racist undercurrents between different ethnicities in the UK; between blacks and Asians, between Asians of different religions (see Ayub Khan Din's "East is East," where George Khan speaks of 'bloody Indians.') And there is also a very real phenomenon of tensions between black British of African descent and those of Carribbean heritage, where the vilest of insults can sometimes be exchanged.

Pretending this is all lies motivated by rascism is no help to anyone.