Women's Rights Demo, Scottish Parliament 11am 2nd Sept

You've got to be terribly forgetful, or woefully uninformed, or maybe just naive to think that they are not talking to Conservatives if they're willing to listen.

For Women Scotland are not party political. They are women's rights campaigners. And from my perspective talking to people who supported the Rape Clause about the needs of survivors and their trauma, is what is needed to get that policy overturned anyway. So Conservatives taking an interest in women's rights because they see this as a way to annoy the SNP? Well, that gives me an opportunity to talk to people who might never have taken an interest in women's rights before. And I tend not to walk away from these encounters having learned nothing at all.

There's also the fact that identity politics, that brands people as evil on the basis of their political opinions is unhelpful. It's unhealthy to dehumanise your opposition and it most definitely will not help you in winning over people and changing their minds.

I've seen that go down really badly in a hustings before - audience generally well disposed towards one young candidate and he branded the incumbent as evil in front of an audience largely opposed to the incumbent. Big mistake. Audible intake of breath. Engaging in kindergarten politics is a sure fire way to turn people against you. As happened that day.

And honestly, flinging guilt by association at us here on Mumsnet, when we know the other side is unconcerned about who they lobby and work with as long as they get their aims through.... Do better.

Bloody hell. I do hope she is ok.

I despair that so many people continue to enable this behaviour.

Actually woman with wee megaphone nearly took my eye out with the flag pole she was holding. She kept waving it around at shoulder height. However, I decided that literal violets had not been intended so just ducked.

Rhannion

No definitely not! But my friend got hit on the head with a board by one of their crowd !

I hope it was not deliberate and it didn’t hurt.

this is brilliant. much admiration to the women of scotland

There was so much "aggro " that when she dropped her wee megaphone thing and the batteries rolled out, she was handed them back by women in the crowd , so that she could continue her protest.

Oh dear!! So much abuse and violence right there!

Probably choosing to not answer as it's a difficult question when your answer will ptove your own hypocrisy @Sophoclesthefox. Not yours, obvs, but that of @CatherinaJTV

There was so much "aggro " that when she dropped her wee megaphone thing and the batteries rolled out, she was handed them back by women in the crowd , so that she could continue her protest.

the photos and the posts of the gloating politicians speak for themselves. Look! I am a feminist, these women say so, nevermind the rape clause. Sickening.

What I found sickening, as a Scottish feminist in particular, was my elected politicians voting against rape survivors being able to request female examiners.

And yet again, please answer Sophocle's question @CatherinaJTV.

Or just continue with the hypocrisy and DARVO. Everyone sees you.

I mean, I am happy to look up and list all the SNP, greens and labour MSPs that objected to the six word amendment.

Shall we do that? I mean, I have a lot of time so happy to do so, while I continue to list the trans activists and allies that have been instrumental in policy or legislation that has been harmful or would be potentially harmful to women and girls. And gay people and lesbian.

I’m also unclear about which issues you are classifying as ‘feminist’ and how they affect the people previously classified as women. From what I understand the SNP no longer believes there it is acceptable for women to organise politically and any ‘rape clause’ affects men and women equally.

Look! I am a feminist, these women say so, nevermind the rape clause. Sickening.

Shall we continue to post some of the gloating allies that want to prioritise gender above sex in law that also has the potential to harm woman and girls.

Even politicians such as Lisa Nandy.

Please answer Sophoclesthefox’s question first though.

CatherinaJTV you haven’t answered the question. Do you condemn anyone who talks to Conservative politicians, including those lobbying for self ID?

Listened to Thursday’s woman’s hour and the demo was mentioned prior to it taking place. There was an item about the GRA reform in Scotland and despite the occasional word like “prisons” thrown in, Emma did not choose to do her usual interrogation of the suspect in respect of what aspects women are objecting to. The general belief put forward that it is more or less done and dusted especially now the Greens are on board ( is this the only thing they agree on?)
After that there was an item featuring the concept of old women/ ladies and our views are wanted, great opportunity to bring in why us oldies are furious about gender ideology and how we no longer care what TRAs think of us.

you lot cosied up to men who systematically made women's lives more difficult.

There are male people on my list who have done that. Your DARVO faux concern doesn't wash here. The Tories are the government in power in the U.K. as a whole, and TRAs certainly cosy up to them. The SNP are shameful.

If so, you're a hypocrite and have an almighty cheek calling the women who are fighting for their rights while being ignored and silenced by the SNP and Greens shameful.

And these are activists not just ‘people not actively involved but aligned with’!