Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Y: The Last Man TV adaptation to affirm TWAW

81 replies

Flamglimglubberty · 15/08/2021 20:58

screenrant.com/y-last-man-gender-identity-spectrum-details/

I was quite looking forward to this show, but looks like they'll be tying themselves up in knots to affirm TWAW... and doesn't that kind of make the whole premise of the show redundant?

Basic premise for those not familiar - overnight every mammal with a Y chromosome mysteriously dies.

Two comments stick out from this article that contradict eachother:

  1. [There are some] men with two X chromosomes
  2. the cast and the crew — are making a show that affirms that trans women are women, trans men are men, nonbinary people are nonbinary

But surely if TWAW then there wouldn't be any immediate crisis following the death of all those with a Y chromosome. If TW were women then humanity could continue procreating and it would be business as usual?

I was genuinely looking forward to this show, but now it just seems like it's going to be an absolute mind melt in the pursuit of woke point scoring. Is anyone else struggling to get their head around this?

OP posts:
NecessaryScene · 16/08/2021 11:46

A lot has changed since the graphic novel.

To wit, the lunatics are now running the asylum.

ValancyRedfern · 16/08/2021 11:27

What a hot mess. I'm hopeful this may actually be a wake up call for a lot of fans.

AssassinatedBeauty · 16/08/2021 10:32

I don't know how they can realistically affirm their mantra that TWAW when the possession of a Y chromosome will mean they are all deceased.

John Landgraf, the chief exec of FX said in the linked article -

"A lot has changed since the graphic novel. One of the things the show will make clear is that there are women with two X chromosomes and men with an X and Y chromosome — but there are also women with two Y chromosomes and men with two X chromosomes. So what happened was all the mammals with a Y chromosome — with the exception of this one man and this one monkey — died in one event. But there are numerous men in the show that had two X chromosomes, and they’re important characters. It’s also made clear that a number of women died that day who had a Y chromosome and probably didn’t even know it.”

There seems to be some deep misunderstanding about sex chromosomes if they think that there are women with two Y chromosomes. Men can have XYY chromosomes but that is a DSD condition.

It sounds like the whole premise of the show will now be about how trans identities are the focus of the story after the apocalyptic deaths of all male creatures. Rather than about the survival of the human race or the nature of a suddenly all female society. And I suspect that whatever they do in terms of trans identities as a storyline will not be sufficient or correct enough for the wrong-think monitors.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2021 10:11

How ridiculous. It's vanishingly unlikely that "women with a Y chromosome" would be unaware of that past their teens, given that they wouldn't have periods and would have medical investigations for this reason.

Beowulfa · 16/08/2021 10:08

What a completely unnecessary mess they've got themselves into.

Oh well, it's not like there's a shortage of good telly and classic films available these days.

Flamglimglubberty · 16/08/2021 09:36

@SpindleWhorl

"every living mammal with a Y chromosome dies. Tragically, that includes many women. It includes nonbinary people and includes intersex people. But that’s also true of the survivors"

said a complete melt involved with the production.

Where to even start?

It needn't be this complicated. It's simple biology, if you've got a Y Chromosome you're dead. Or even more simple, all males died.

The mental and linguistic gymnastics they're performing just to skirt around biology is staggering.

I really look forward to seeing how they'll address the whole issue of reproduction and the survival of humanity if, as they claim, TMAM Hmm

OP posts:
LazyViper · 16/08/2021 09:10

@SmokedDuck

One thing is for sure - television written with this kind of attempt to be didactic and right on is usually complete crap, even if the cause is actually good.
This. It’s going to be cringetastically bad.
SpindleWhorl · 16/08/2021 08:54

"every living mammal with a Y chromosome dies. Tragically, that includes many women. It includes nonbinary people and includes intersex people. But that’s also true of the survivors"

said a complete melt involved with the production.

Where to even start?

CigarsofthePharoahs · 16/08/2021 08:45

And yet the film "Only" didn't fall into that hole. That's worth a watch.

PaleGreenGhost · 16/08/2021 08:28

How transphobic of them to even use the word man in the title.

Why not the last ejaculator? The last ball bearer? The last dick haver? It's 2021, I thought we'd nailed inclusive language?

Tibtom · 16/08/2021 08:03

*of revelation

Tibtom · 16/08/2021 08:02

Do the characters have a moment if relevation? That identifying as something they are not doesn't change who they are? Or are they genuiningly puzzled as to why some 'women' die and 'men' survive? Are they pretending TW pass so noone realises they were men?

SmokedDuck · 16/08/2021 04:24

One thing is for sure - television written with this kind of attempt to be didactic and right on is usually complete crap, even if the cause is actually good.

Flamglimglubberty · 16/08/2021 00:44

It was a really simple concept, rooted in pure biology... How they've over complicated this much is just baffling.

OP posts:
Flamglimglubberty · 16/08/2021 00:41

@Zandathepanda

Y
Given the nonsense it's going to contain, this is the perfect title for it Grin
OP posts:
Zandathepanda · 16/08/2021 00:35

Other titles:

Y bother
All woman no Y
Who’s Y is it any Y
Tell me Y
Y worry. Be happy

Y am I not sleepy yet? (Last one is just me)

Zandathepanda · 15/08/2021 23:51

Y

WhereYouLeftIt · 15/08/2021 23:45

Why are they even bothering?

SmokedDuck · 15/08/2021 23:01

They should call it The Last Y.

Nothapppy · 15/08/2021 22:52

Do the transmen become the new rulers? Because of their manliness?

CharlieParley · 15/08/2021 22:52

They'll come in for some derision if they really claim there are women with YY-chromosomes (as a counterpart to XX-males). AFAIK, there's no humans that don't have at least one X-chromosome.

XYY-syndrome is sometimes called YY-syndrome, but individuals with this chromosome combination have normal sex development and are typical males, albeit some with fertility issues caused by a low sperm count.

So there really are no YY-women and no XYY-women.

OneEpisode · 15/08/2021 22:01

I read that as the only surviving potential inseminator is that one bloke (and his male pet). Some transmen survive, because they are XX. That makes sense?

AnyOldPrion · 15/08/2021 21:53

You’re right OP. The name of the film is no longer valid. It should almost certainly be changed. My suggestion for the makers:

“The Last AMAB Person Who Doesn’t Have A Difference Of Sexual Development That Caused Her To Appear AFAB At Birth”

manatsu · 15/08/2021 21:45

Oh, I've read the article now - it wouldn't load before. So trans women will die on account of having a Y chromosome, but the show will make it clear that many men are still alive because they're XX (or DSD with other chromosome combinations). But the titular last man is the last man. But he's not, he's just the last Guy with a Y. But we're calling him the last man. But that doesn't mean everyone who died was a man. And men are still here. But he's the last man. But TMAM.

help

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 15/08/2021 21:42

I knew gender woo would hit this show. They'll catch flak from TRAs no matter what they do.

They can dance around the Y chromosome stuff all they like, but the title is still there.

When your premise is based on the material reality of sex, you'll never make the TRAs happy.