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Afghan women forced to wear burqa

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GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 18:03

As the taliban continues to gain ground, the forward looking young women of Afghanistan are having to prepare for some major changes.

I cannot imagine how these women are feeling right now, watching their freedoms slip through their fingers. Honestly, I could cry.

^"My mother says we should buy a burqa. My parents are afraid of the Taliban. My mother thinks that one of the ways she can protect her daughters is to make them wear the burqa,” she says.

“But we have no burqa in our home, and I have no intention of getting one. I don’t want to hide behind a curtain-like cloth. If I wear the burqa, it means that I have accepted the Taliban’s government. I have given them the right to control me. Wearing a chador is the beginning of my sentence as a prisoner in my house. I’m afraid of losing the accomplishments I fought for so hard.”^

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/15/afghan-womens-defiance-and-despair-i-never-thought-id-have-to-wear-a-burqa-my-identity-will-be-lost

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littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 21:13

But British combat troops left in 2014.

There were only 700,British troops left who were helping nato with training

Tuscancat · 15/08/2021 21:08

Those poor women and children. The gay community too. Heartbreaking. We needed a small presence to maintain order whilst the democracy matured, and we walked out. It is a catastrophe on every level, humanitarian, political, social.
The afghani people will never trust us again. Why should they. This will radicalise many more and cost us far more than staying ever would. All our British soldiers died for nothing. Fucking Johnson and his cabinet of cowards.

supermoonrising · 15/08/2021 21:04

The Americans have killed 10,000s of innocent Afghan civilians in air strikes. American air strikes have killed hundreds of children. When will the war crime trials begin?

UnashamedLabelHo · 15/08/2021 21:04

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EsmaCannonball · 15/08/2021 21:01

This isn't about transgenderism as such, it's about sex mattering and who is a woman being absolutely clear when men are deciding who to oppress based on sex. Despite the attempts of gender cultists to redefine womanhood, when it comes to it, identity means nothing. Sex is biological and gender is cultural, and the brutal gender rules the Taliban are about to impose on those of the female sex don't bear thinking about. (Except probably for that one guy who gets off on identifying as an oppressed, submissive Muslim woman. You know the one. This is his particular wet dream, but there's no actual fucking way he's volunteering to move there. As well as luxury beliefs, there's also such a thing as luxury fantasies.)

Whataboutye88 · 15/08/2021 20:58

@LastSummerHere may I ask in what capacity your husband served in Afghanistan? As part of Op Herrick or earlier?

littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 20:53

Penalties for homosexuality. Crushing

Oh my god. How did men get to do this to other people because of religion

LastSummerHere · 15/08/2021 20:53

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littlbrowndog · 15/08/2021 20:50

It’s not point scoring

It’s about the fact that sex matters.

Sex matters

Men know that sex matters

My heart for these women and girls there. 😢

LastSummerHere · 15/08/2021 20:48

@UnashamedLabelHo

To the pp who said males won’t be taken as sex slaves, dancing tea boys in Afghanistan are exactly that. So while girls and women are treated appalllinglu, it’s not exclusive. Women are views as “for children” and boys are viewed as “for pleasure”. War lords collect male sex slaves as a token of power.

As you were.

Are you serious? My husband served in Afghanistan and the 'tea boys' were a rarity. He said you walk into any bar and men were offering girls on a platter...he refused being one of the few decent men around and only then were teaboys mentioned. NOT THE FUCKING SAME! I am honestly amazed on a feminist board hoe ducking far women are prepared to go to excuse men's shit!

meditrina · 15/08/2021 20:44

@UnashamedLabelHo

To the pp who said males won’t be taken as sex slaves, dancing tea boys in Afghanistan are exactly that. So while girls and women are treated appalllinglu, it’s not exclusive. Women are views as “for children” and boys are viewed as “for pleasure”. War lords collect male sex slaves as a token of power.

As you were.

The Taliban however banned ithe bacha banza during the first emirate, and had exceedingly brutal punishments for it (it was a capital offence, and probably will be again) - it had pretty much ended under their rule.

One Taliban judge was speaking as recently as last month about the penalties for homosexuality - death by crushing

RoyalCorgi · 15/08/2021 20:43

Munroe Bergdorf, that should be.

RoyalCorgi · 15/08/2021 20:43

The point is that "gender-identity" is a luxury western belief system. What is happening in Afghanistan is a stark illustration of what really matters and that is sex. When men want to oppress they know which sex to oppress.

This, 100%. We all know that every single one of those trans activists - the Jane Faes, the Lily Madigans, the Magdalen Bergdorfs - would, if transported to Afghanistan, suddenly miraculously decide that actually, they're not women after all.

I am so sick of this shit. Sex matters.

LemonRoses · 15/08/2021 20:40

@BlueberryCheezecake

Firstly, of course the Taliban don't recognise the gender of trans people, that's because they're the bad guys.

Secondly, how much of an obsessive, hate-addled, red pilled bigot do you have to be to take what's happening in Afghanistan and use it to make some smug nonsensical non-point about the transes. Do you people literally think about nothing else? Here we have an actual crisis for women, which has nothing to do with trans people at all, and yet that's still all you can talk about about. It's actually shameful.

Well said. However much we, as many western women, believe sex is immutable, comparison the situation in Afghanistan is not the way to point score. Women are about to lose the limited rights they had under a totalitarian and brutal male regime. They will be killed, stoned, flogged, raped and subjected to ongoing male tyranny. Not the time to moan about trans versus western woes rights.
FloralBunting · 15/08/2021 20:31
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UnashamedLabelHo · 15/08/2021 20:28

To the pp who said males won’t be taken as sex slaves, dancing tea boys in Afghanistan are exactly that. So while girls and women are treated appalllinglu, it’s not exclusive. Women are views as “for children” and boys are viewed as “for pleasure”. War lords collect male sex slaves as a token of power.

As you were.

wizzywig · 15/08/2021 20:28

This is like handmaid's tale. I can't even find the words to say how scary it is that people's freedoms can be swiped away, just like that.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/08/2021 20:27

@BlueberryCheezecake

Firstly, of course the Taliban don't recognise the gender of trans people, that's because they're the bad guys.

Secondly, how much of an obsessive, hate-addled, red pilled bigot do you have to be to take what's happening in Afghanistan and use it to make some smug nonsensical non-point about the transes. Do you people literally think about nothing else? Here we have an actual crisis for women, which has nothing to do with trans people at all, and yet that's still all you can talk about about. It's actually shameful.

The point is that "gender-identity" is a luxury western belief system. What is happening in Afghanistan is a stark illustration of what really matters and that is sex. When men want to oppress they know which sex to oppress.

What is happening in Afghanistan is horrific, and women and girls can do nothing to escape it. We all knew it was going to happen and what was going to happen and could and can do nothing about it.

AlfonsoTheMango · 15/08/2021 20:27

It's interesting that biology is culturally relative. In the West, biology doesn't exist but it does in places like Afghanistan.

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2021 20:26

What's happening in Afghanistan is truly appalling. The fear these women and girls must be feeling is indescribable.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 15/08/2021 20:25

Well said @blueberrycheezecake, completely agree.
How the ever loving fuck has this had trans people brought into it, it's a tragedy what's happening to these poor women and girls, and still, STILL it's somehow got people trying to make some sodding point about people being trans, and well now they know what a woman is!
Hmm

You're the one using this diabolical crisis affecting WOMEN AND GIRLS and making it about 'trans people'.
How on earth do you figure that one out?! Surely the person who made the inane remark in the first place is the one making it about trans people, not people saying hang on a minute!
I could cry for these women and girls, I really could, it's awful what's happening,

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2021 20:25

If anyone is curious as to the 'red pill' term used by @BlueberryCheezecake is about, it's a term commonly used by incels - www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men

Unsurprisingly.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2021 20:23

Being a woman in Afghanistan right now must be like standing on a beach watching a tsunami roll in and having no way to stop it. I can't imagine the horror.

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