Afghan women forced to wear burqa

Because these women aren't being persecuted on the basis of their gender, they are being persecuted on the basis of their sex.

This.

This is what women are trying to be heard on. That the insistence that sex doesn't matter, that it's all gender, that anyone can be any sex they choose and that doesn't matter, that sex can be hidden and disguised and buried and reasoned away, that women can have their sex based rights removed and the words for them hidden harms women and their rights. Seriously, critically harms them .

The women in Afghanistan are suffering right now because they cannot play word games and write nice policies creating an illusion that avoids creating emotional distress to those who would prefer sex not to exist as a concept. They cannot identify out of the burden of gender imposed on them by sex. They cannot identify out of the illtreatment. No one gives a shit how they identify or about their deeply held inner sense of self, or whether they are living their best lives. They are existing in possession of female biology and that is a crime there is no escape from.

This is the reality for all women.

It's just that western women (at the moment) have the voice and the freedoms to do their best to speak out and try to be heard.

And that's fighting against a misogynistic tide of media avoiding them and their voices, back room deals made by misogynists with misogynists to steer policy against them, new police powers to prosecute them for speaking out and a fucking tidal wave of rape threats, sexual violence threats and death threats for daring to speak.

But to move away from that particular misogynistic shitshow to the one at hand, what actions can we actually take to do something, even its a small one?
I'm thinking let's write to our MPs as a starter. Let them see that politically their constituents care about this. What female-based charities and organisations can we support?

Why refer to trans issues? Because these women aren't being persecuted on the basis of their gender, they are being persecuted on the basis of their sex. And gendered rules is what is used to persecuted them.
And even now, we are seeing protections for our sex demolished and diminished across the world, East and West, even as western male people have the utter fucking audacity to claim they are the 'most vulnerable' and claim resources, funding attention and political will that should be going to all those who truly are most vulnerable like Afghani women and girls.

They have feasted at the table of liberty for so long that they think they can ignore reality by chanting mantras and 'queering' words. Bloated by their gluttony, they cheer the erosion of the same rights and protections that enabled their arrogance and ignorance. Their fingers and mouths greasy with the remnants of the fruits of labour of the women that came before them, they sneer at those who understand the precarious nature of our rights and personhood and seek to protect it. They might belch out insults and smears in between mouthfuls, but deep in their hearts they know they would never willingly trade places with the women of Afghanistan, because all the queer theory in the world won't save them from the slaughterhouse.

This ought to be in every newspaper. Very well said, and the truth of it is painfully front and centre.

These western luxury conceits are shameful in the face of what is happening in reality to these women on the basis of their sex, and no amount of interesting labels and self definition will save them.

Oh it does for Lily

How nice that Lily can dress up in her Burka when she is having a blue day. I bet this women in Afghanistan will be forever grateful to Lily that she is so inclusive

But hey the blue is nice

Brings out her eyes doesn't it..... Oh... Wait....

What a stupid comment

It’s fabric chains. When worn there is little that can be seen so even the turn of a women or girls head can be monitored

Fucking idiot honestly why are some people falling over themselves to appear inclusive that they do not bother to do a little research

But hey the blue is nice

[quote HPFA]The burkha is a symbol of diversity according to Lily Cole.

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1427270518089072640

Who has also just come out as "queer" although it would seem from the article that "queerness" is now defined as dating and marrying well-off famous men.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1427037255231754248[/quote]
Oh my god, whaaaaaat?

And she put that burqa picture up 3 days ago?!!!

The burkha is a symbol of diversity according to Lily Cole.

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1427270518089072640

Who has also just come out as "queer" although it would seem from the article that "queerness" is now defined as dating and marrying well-off famous men.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1427037255231754248

Fantastic and powerful post @NonnyMouse1337

I see that on Twitter, the TRA response to gender critical people pointing out the flamin' obvious (ie. That the Taliban, like all other oppressive men that have gone before them for millenia, have no problems figuring out what a woman is) is to say that that means gender critical posters support the Taliban. I mean, come the fuck on!

I just don't know where mangoontoast and our other educators have gone.

They are only too happy to berate us about toilets. Why aren't they here, educating us about gender identity and how women in Afghanistan can benefit from it by opting out of their oppression?

You'd think as fathers, sons, husbands and brothers that men would have wanted equal rights

I’ve always thought this idea to be too optimistic and naive. It was my brother and father who made me into a feminist with their sexism.

Tibtom: the men fleeing. I saw that too. Cowards, the lot, and it's usually the men that are all, "but us men are brave, strong, etc etc." Either cowards or also hate women. Well, maybe to them the women are objects so it's just like stuff getting smashed in a war, like a chair. omg, awful!! I bet if a bunch of male soldiers were held hostage or etc they'd fight to get em back? Or are there hostages there being left to their fate? I'm not sure.

And brothers, husbands, dads, friends etc in Western nations rarely fight for the women either. If they won't do it in a relatively safe, for them, country, I doubt they would there when they could be murdered for it. So when wars are fought and everyone's like, omg the women and children, actually their property collateral damage or not worth the risk and people want to opt IN to that? Only priveleged societies can you choose which aspect of a sex or gender you want to opt in to, and leave all the dangerous icky parts out. That'd be like opting into being black when you're not, but with no racism that's dangerous to you. Not sure why anyone would wanna opt into being, what essentially is prey as women seem to be. Unless you take the shiny, glittery aspects and, through privilege and freedoms, are able to discard the rest. Also how is that a true woman then? Or even the reverse, for TM, a true man? So you experience nothing all women, or men, go through for millions of years but you are one. I'm not saying they don't cuz I would not know, just trying to understand. Maybe it shouldn't matter if TW and TM are TRUE, cuz that's never been defined. Matters how you feel inside. The issue, as I've seen it, is when that ideology disrupts others' rights (women/girls, and also gay/lesbian). Nobody in society probably would've cared about this stuff so much if it weren't for the eroding of others' hard-won (and necessary) rights cuz of it. And many trans people themselves don't support that aspect of it.

Again, I still think a good, cordial debate between Afghan women and TW and TM would highlight each side's issues nicely and concretely. Here you could opt out of being a woman and be TM but even if you feel you're a man on the inside, in Afghanistan, for ex, that won't mean shit. You got xx chromosomes, you are enslaved, killed etc no matter wtf your mind says you are, in real life. It's just more obvious in extreme countries, this concept? I still didn't understand it fully, though the terrible Afghan plight has made me think more on it.

Roseismadder: I am not a fan of humanity and any aliens that visit I will profusely apologize for being one. Humans suck. We better hope humans aren't graded as a whole, cuz we failed. And men, percentage-wise, even worse than women. Humans are the scariest animals on earth. I hope to never be a human again, if I have any say, lol.

Nonnymouse thank you for your post. Putting into words so articulately.

"You'd think as fathers, sons, husbands and brothers that men would have wanted equal rights and respect for women and girls all along. But no ... . It does make me pause, that one."

I've wondered this too, and still can't figure it out! I can only assume that men for so long are in their Men-only-and-the-best-entitled-to-all mindset that they don't even see their sisters, mothers, wives as real people? They are just property etc too?

Had a guy say some shit about women that was messed up, and I called him out, and said, dude, you have a daughter what if some dude said that shit to her? His response, in a shrug-shoulders way was, "I'm sure they probably do." and that was that. end of.

And I've had some very kind men who even say women shouldn't be attacked etc. But when they are it is usually the girl's fault, no matter what. They KNOW they don't have to take responsibility. And most men never challenge other men. I think cuz they know they also benefit massively from this dynamic of women as cattle, women as weak, dumb, oppressed.

Think about the outrage when it was suggested by a women in American politics (sorry, don't remember exact who and details), that part of the government be ALL women. The outrage. But it was pointed out that until not long ago it was ALL men. But even women were enraged at having part of the government branch be all women. I don't know if this was raised just to make a point, probably. Same with race. The rage people get if having a governing body be all black. But if or when they are all white, no biggie. Obviously probably a mixture of people is best. The default is straight white male, I mean for everything. No offense to straight white men at all, many are awesome. It is a historical fact though that it has driven human policies on everything, even healthcare trials are based off mostly straight white men (maybe less so nowadays, dunno).

Literally, I think it's gonna get to a point where humans both male, female, anything are gonna identify and opt out of bodies all together and out of being what we, today, know and call "human." I think all humans, especially females, are sooo traumatized, mostly cuz of living in bodies and mostly cuz of fellow jerk humans, that I do think this will end, for humanity as a whole, as most or all people opting out of bodies completely. Like in robots. Or your mind is just a computer. Transhumanism. Personally, I feel it's the best solution. You can't opt out of your sex, but maybe in the future you can opt out of your body altogether. I'd be intrigued and tempted to do it, tbh. I hate the disgusting meat sack I'm trapped in and it's only function is to be abused, derided, nit-picked both literally and ideologically, for life. And then of course physical pain. I believe we are witnessing the end of the human body, as we know it, and personally the end result I feel might be WAY better for people's minds, hearts, souls, and safety.

If the Afghan women could opt out of a human body, I bet they would asap, or most would.

"There would be no women in the whole of Afghanistan if it were possible to opt out"

I thought this too. Also, even if they could, wouldn't the extremists just kill them anyway cuz they would know they were born female, can be enslaved raped have kids etc.? Even if the girls were allowed to have surgeries to physically present as male, and have no inner female parts, don't you think they would get killed anyway, if found out?

And yes, sorry, but I bet 99% of TW would all of a sudden find their inner man if they found themselves in the middle east. Or say, if UK and USA societies, God forbid, were like this, I bet there'd be very, very few TW. And I still think those regimes would kill TM for daring to deny the men their cattle (the women) by opting out even if they could visually present as one.

It is a priveleged way of thinking to believe you can opt of sex. You can have any internal gender mindset, but in real life you cannot opt out of sex. Only way that's gonna happen is if all humans minds are put into identical, sexless robot bodies. And STILL there would probably be oppression based off SOMETHING, maybe. But bar having identical truly sexless bodies and having test-tube-lab babies, sex is gonna be linked with power, and always in the man's favor, cuz that's reality on Earth, until further notice, which is definitely NOT now or near future.

I wonder what Afghan girls, women think of the West's gender ideology and trans stuff. Maybe they are shielded from Western stuff so don't know? Would be interesting. I bet you most of them would say if they could've truly opted out of their sex they would've. The only reason people here can opt out of their sex is cuz we have a nicer, fairer government and society in general, as far as sex equality. I doubt there would've been many TW even here say before women's voting rights, by law having to have husband's signatures, etc. I could be wrong.

To be able to identify with something or not, requires freedom in the first place. So yeah, it is a Western privilege, which isn't necessarily bad to have privileges but they should be seen as such and not some immutable truth. Or recognize that Western society is dealing with it's own issues and people are having severe mental problems and coping skills, and this is how it's playing out, here, in Western countries. Also, I bet many Afghan women would see how the TRA is bent to favor MEN, and leave women/girls, gay people at a disempowered state.

And LOL, I bet there are not many Afghan MEN who are TW. Cuz who would opt into oppression, being murdered, etc, cuz of your sex? Even the poor gay guys get killed. But I doubt many want to visually advertise they are more feminine!

A good debate between some TW and Afghan women might do some good to get everyone on any side of it thinking about all sides' issues, concerns. To me the way the mass culture portrays the trans thing does seem to be about power, for MEN. And the true TW who just wanna live their lives and not oppress or cause problems or take from biological women lose out too, and them I support.

I agree with you 100% btw. But also would probably get banned if I said what I thought.

Nonny your post was so eloquent and bang on. I've screenshotted it, I don't want to lose it.

NonnyMouse has put into words so passionately and eloquently what many of us are feeling. Can someone tech minded please archive this so it isn't ever lost. Thank you NonnyMouse.

When it comes to women's rights and anti discrimination, men want to try and obfuscate women as a class. When it comes to oppression, they don't pretend it is complex to identify who they are discriminating against.

Did men ever fight for women's rights? The suffragettes were women. Also, those at the back of this backlash which aims at reducing women's rights are men's rights activists. In whatever guise they present. Those who want to destroy those rights women have fought for. Even the ability to correctly name our sex class.

You'd think as fathers, sons, husbands and brothers that men would have wanted equal rights and respect for women and girls all along. But no ... . It does make me pause, that one.

I feel so angry and upset for Afghan women and girls today. I feel so angry and upset for the children. This is true oppression, oppression that they can’t identify out of.

Excellent post Nonnymouse.

Have felt so helpless the past few days. Written to my MP to ask they keep the subject at the forefront of Parliament not just now but for the many months and years ahead.

This will possibly get removed but I’m going to say it anyway
I hate mankind. I hate that our world is ruled by such evil. I hate that half our world population don’t understand and will never comprehend what life is like for the other half