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Afghan women forced to wear burqa

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GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 18:03

As the taliban continues to gain ground, the forward looking young women of Afghanistan are having to prepare for some major changes.

I cannot imagine how these women are feeling right now, watching their freedoms slip through their fingers. Honestly, I could cry.

^"My mother says we should buy a burqa. My parents are afraid of the Taliban. My mother thinks that one of the ways she can protect her daughters is to make them wear the burqa,” she says.

“But we have no burqa in our home, and I have no intention of getting one. I don’t want to hide behind a curtain-like cloth. If I wear the burqa, it means that I have accepted the Taliban’s government. I have given them the right to control me. Wearing a chador is the beginning of my sentence as a prisoner in my house. I’m afraid of losing the accomplishments I fought for so hard.”^

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/15/afghan-womens-defiance-and-despair-i-never-thought-id-have-to-wear-a-burqa-my-identity-will-be-lost

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Jackgrealishscurtains · 15/08/2021 18:46

@Etulosba

One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa, and why those who don't want to don't just self-ID as male

Is this a joke?

No, it's not a joke. It's a very serious comment on the ridiculous notion that sex is something that one can identify into and out of, and that the idea that one can identify as a woman or a man is an incredibly privileged luxury belief.
meditrina · 15/08/2021 18:46

One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa

They use modesty police - who are much feared as the punishments are brutal

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-16/taliban-militants-afghanistan-civilian-torture/100300730

I don’t think self I dentifying as male will cut much ice with the Taliban, quite honestly

Who would even think to do that, when it carries the death penalty?

It doesn't, according to taliban latest statements, have to be a burqa- niqab is also acceptable (this is, perhaps, their idea of greater inclusivity/tolerance?)

I've not seen a single "people in burquas"

That's because the phrase is in specific use for people smuggling methods - it a way to get wanted men out to safety, as long as they don't meet modesty police en route

GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 18:45

@Etulosba my point is that while this would work in western nations - because our institutions have bought into gender identity ideolgy - it does not work in a totalitarian regime. Women cannot opt out of oppression

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Jackgrealishscurtains · 15/08/2021 18:44

I feel like I just can't even get my head around what's going on for these women and girls at the moment - it's unimaginable Sad

Etulosba · 15/08/2021 18:38

A not very funny one.

Etulosba · 15/08/2021 18:37

One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa, and why those who don't want to don't just self-ID as male

Is this a joke?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/08/2021 18:34

But we have no burqa in our home, and I have no intention of getting one. I don’t want to hide behind a curtain-like cloth. If I wear the burqa, it means that I have accepted the Taliban’s government. I have given them the right to control me. Wearing a chador is the beginning of my sentence as a prisoner in my house. I’m afraid of losing the accomplishments I fought for so hard.

Such a courageous young woman and I don't know what I wish for her. I don't want her to be imprisoned or to be in jeopardy of her life.

I quoted this recently - it's the Viktor Shtrum character from Vasily Grossman's Life and Fate and he's describing life under a totalitarian regime:

But an invisible force was crushing him. He could feel its weight, its hypnotic power; it was forcing him to think as it wanted, to write as it dictated. This force was inside him; it could dissolve his will and cause his heart to stop beating; it came between him and his family; it insinuated itself into his past, into his childhood memories. He began to feel that he really was untalented and boring, someone who wore out the people around him with dull chatter. Even his work seemed to have grown dull, to be covered with a layer of dust; the thought of it no longer filled him with light and joy.

Only people who have never felt such a force themselves can be surprised that others submit to it. Those who have felt it, on the other hand, feel astonished that a man can rebel against it even for a moment—with one sudden word of anger, one timid gesture of protest.

I admire her and fear for her.

Jaysmith71 · 15/08/2021 18:31

Last time they were in charge, the Taliban came up with two prinicples:

  1. Male doctors cannot examine women.
  2. Women can't be doctors.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/08/2021 18:18

Apologies for the derail but it is interesting that when it comes to Afghanistan politicians like Sturgeon seem to know what sex is.

I've not seen a single "people in burquas".

What is happening in Afghanistan should give all women cause for thought. It is so easy and so fast to lose hard won rights.

Andante57 · 15/08/2021 18:08

@GoodieMoomin

One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa, and why those who don't want to don't just self-ID as male Confused
I don’t think self I dentifying as male will cut much ice with the Taliban, quite honestly.
GoodieMoomin · 15/08/2021 18:06

One has to wonder how the taliban can tell which people must wear a burqa, and why those who don't want to don't just self-ID as male Confused

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