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Why do some men hate women?

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Nightmarenextdoor · 14/08/2021 08:04

Not sure that’s the right question or if this is the right place but it’s been nagging away at me since reading about the Plymouth shootings because it resonates so much with my experiences in online dating.

I’ve spoken to so many men that remind me of that guy - obviously not as extreme but who are for some reason (often the way they look but also just being ‘different’) not ticking the boxes for women. They haven’t generally ticked any for me either and in fact I’m not getting many matches myself but it doesn’t fill me with hatred for every man (although I am pretty cynical about it).

And then there’s the way people behave - I’ve heard women do it too but men are just so brutal, so completely disregarding of feelings or manners, and if you don’t look or behave like their idea of what a woman should you either get ‘what you deserve’ - whatever their version of that is - or are ignored completely.

I count myself very much as a feminist but I’m not up on everything that gets discussed on here. This really worries me though, I’m a single mum raising a daughter and I feel the future for us is bleak and scary in terms of how men view us - at best we’ll get one who ‘only’ expects us to look amazing and be open minded in bed as a minimum, at worst it’ll be one who despises us just for being female.

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ScreamingMeMe · 14/08/2021 08:56

@LitPearl

I know, it's scary. I've a son and a daughter (also a single parent) and obviously in our home being a woman is valued, but I worry that my son will pick up ''hate'' on line.

So the basis of their hatred for women is that they're not getting sex?
And for that, they hate the people that they want the sex from? Even the old ones, the ugly ones? the fat ones? It's all so hard to understand.

In their world, women can get sex any time they like, even the "old" and "ugly" ones. We are the "gatekeepers" and treat the poor menz who aren't total alphas like crap, because we have so much power.
Leafstamp · 14/08/2021 08:52

Sorry to hear you’ve had rotten experiences with online dating etc. Flowers

There are good men out there.

As for your question though, sadly you’re right, there’s a whole book on it:

www.hive.co.uk/Product/Laura-Bates/Men-Who-Hate-Women--From-incels-to-pickup-artists-the-tru/24602154

Also, for info, it’s worth being aware of the Rules of Misogyny:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3236421-so-these-ere-rules-of-misogyny

76FDre421 · 14/08/2021 08:50

I have no idea what drives these men, but I do wonder if they are lashing out against a world that is on the one hand giving them a horrible, violent, objectified and pornified view of women (not just in porn but in insidious every day places like such tripe as love island) whilst they are also witnessing men’s power in the real world (education attainment and workplaces to name but two) start to diminish as women have gained more equality of opportunity. I subscribe to the Telegraph online (as well as other more left wing papers) to get a range of views and they published a headline after the GCSE results stating that “girls are just cleverer than boys”. The comments underneath were so horrific and misogynistic that I had to close it and stop reading. If you are an angry man who isn’t succeeding at life and doesn’t take responsibility for your failings there are plenty fans to flame that fire of hatred and resentment in everyday mainstream media. RIP all the poor innocent victims.

LitPearl · 14/08/2021 08:35

male and female people with no self-awareness whatsoever project all of their failings outwards and incels are doig this. It's so depressing.

I agree that the law needs to show clearly that hating on, demonising (''stacies'') blaming, threatening (and not just murdering) women who do not want to sleep with these awful men is going to be penalised by the law.

Sicario · 14/08/2021 08:30

Most women have no idea how much men hate us. We are viewed as sub-human.

LizzieSiddal · 14/08/2021 08:25

I think they’re angry, horrible men, in general and because they are like that, women obviously and rightly want nothing to do with them. They then blame women for their own lack of sex/relationship, rather than looking at themselves.

We also live in a deeply misogynistic society where we don’t even have hate directed towards women as a crime!
Society and laws need to change so these men know they will face consequences.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 14/08/2021 08:24

Jane Clare Jones' Twitter thread on a relevant discussion:

archive.is/YvHj7

rottd · 14/08/2021 08:18

The whole thing doesn’t make sense, you get plenty of females into their 20’s who are also virgins, is that all the menz fault?

Exactly!

I don't think the pornofication of society & social media helps as some men seem to just see women as objects

KittenKong · 14/08/2021 08:17

R4 now

GiveMeAUserName123 · 14/08/2021 08:16

If their that desperate for sex why did they never hire a hooker? I know there is so much wrong with that sentence, but I’d rather do that than go shoot random people in the street.

The whole thing doesn’t make sense, you get plenty of females into their 20’s who are also virgins, is that all the menz fault?

rottd · 14/08/2021 08:14

It's really confusing because most of them could probably get sex if they were just "normal". It's seems like there's an entitlement or expectation & there life hasn't worked as expected (who's does) but they blame that on women.

ParityJ · 14/08/2021 08:13

I don't know for sure. But it seems like some.men feel like women should bow to them and like women owe them relationships and sex.
When they try to talk to women, they're weird entitled ment comes.across and they seem creepy. (Has anyone ever met a creepy guy? I have lots)

So they end up resenting women for not giving them what they believe they deserve.

Thing is, I don't think they even want a partner. They want a porn looking woman that won't answer back or be real. A real woman would likely scare them.

That shooter, I'm not using his name, he worked out thinking that's all he needed to do to get sex... He should have worked on his personality.

LitPearl · 14/08/2021 08:07

I know, it's scary. I've a son and a daughter (also a single parent) and obviously in our home being a woman is valued, but I worry that my son will pick up ''hate'' on line.

So the basis of their hatred for women is that they're not getting sex?
And for that, they hate the people that they want the sex from? Even the old ones, the ugly ones? the fat ones? It's all so hard to understand.

GiveMeAUserName123 · 14/08/2021 08:06

I had to Google incel, and was shocked to discover they regard it as women’s fault, rather than their own.

Anyone in the cult needs shutting down and sectioning! That’s seriously messed up!

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