Children as young as 4 allowed to choose gender identity

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/why-the-scottish-government-is-willing-to-allow-breach-of-trust-between-schools-and-parents-brian-monteith-3347177

INteresting article here on the proposed guidelines, comparing iwth other SNP legislation, specifically the Named Person scheme.

This reporting of the info graphoc also goes against samaritans guidance about not attributing suicide to a simply single cause. It does not compare any other demographic for the suicidal group vs the non suicidal group which may be a clear confounder. Mist particularly Parents not fully supportive (somewhat supportive patents are grouped with unsupportive) due to their adult child's mental health difficulties; parents who have seen their child's mental health decline as a result of genderideology and seen them attempt suicide and therefore not fully supportive of it. The info graphic could just as well have said "parents of young adults with poor mental health who have attempted suicide since adopting a transgender identity do not fully support them adopting an ideology which subsequently led to suicidal thoughts."

[quote rogdmum]Analysis on the TransPulse stats by MBM. Well worth a read:

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2021/08/19/use-of-statistics-in-the-scottish-government-publication-supporting-transgender-pupils-in-schools/[/quote]
MBM has given a very temperate take on the egregious misuse of the underlying surveys and subgroup analyses in that Scots Gov. publication and disinfographic.

It's made me nostalgic for something I read years ago:

he may not believe the bullshit himself, but may repeat it to his readers because he hopes that doing so advances some agenda of his own…
…his job, the reason why this would not be a purely exploitative manipulation of those readers, is that his stories ought to tell his readers things which will make them better informed about the world, better able to make their way through it. He has just demonstrated that he is either unable or unwilling to do his job. His readers might attempt to extract information from his words by undoing the distortions imposed by his folly and manipulations, but life is too short. His words are worth attending to only as specimens, rather than communications.

bactra.org/weblog/541.html

I wish I thought better of the Scots Gov. than they'd stoop to comparable levels of manipulation and distortion, especially when the wellbeing of young people is in jeopardy.

Analysis on the TransPulse stats by MBM. Well worth a read:

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2021/08/19/use-of-statistics-in-the-scottish-government-publication-supporting-transgender-pupils-in-schools/

Been reading about Body Dysmorphic Disorder and OCD. Not so far from gender dysphoria. For both of these it seems the worst thing you can do is 'affirm' or 'accommodate' the obsessions and compulsions as doing so leads to very temporary relief before their brain demands further accommodations and then further. Treatment requires hard work being exposed to their fears till they lose their power (exposure and response prevention). The very opposite of what is demanded for gender dysphoria. No wonder they want to distance it from mental health.

Yes, exactly!

So they will listen to lobby groups, and probably professionals on board with their agenda then. But won't listen to parents, professionals working with the kids, other evidence etc.

If that doesn't reek of agenda, I don't know what does.
maybe it's all down to politics then. the kids are being used as political pawns?

Oh, my mistake, I see what you mean; the schools are ignoring even the professionals' advice. That's rather telling!! and eerie

Wingless That’s not what I mean at all. There are children where affirmation is blindingly unsuitable at best and dangerous at worst which has been picked up by psychologists and/or psychiatrists and schools affirming is undermining the therapy they are undergoing/have undergone. There are some excellent clinicians in this field.

ScotGov are well aware of this scenario and yet they have completely ignored the fact that many of these children might be under the care of mental health experts and that schools do not have the expertise to undermine their recommendations. Would a school actively undermine these for any other mental health issue, and if they did, would it be endorsed by govt/a lobby group? There is no mention of what a school should do. Common sense should dictate that they listen. My experience is that they (some) don’t.

Instead, schools are told to listen to guidance driven by a lobby group, LGBTYS and within that, to their Education Manager with a CV which leaves a lot to be desired when looking at qualifications for advising schools on such a serious issue.

Ask why the guidance makes NO mention of the involvement of any mental health professionals that may be involved in the child’s life and who may recommend against affirming.

I do think some of that is because the mental health field has ALSO become extremely medicalized, often to the exclusion of anything else. Think of how many young kids were/are put on psych meds for various things right off the bat, like it's the only option. Possibly why the medical route for trans kids/people is so heavily pushed. Big pharma dug into the mental health field, at least since the 80s/90s with an iron claw. A lot of people in the West think that a pill or med thing is the answer to everything and if it causes harm, well blame the patient or ignore it, don't question drs scientists drug companies, they are god. Even the public scorns many people for not firstly and only going the medical route, even if you've tried it and it didn't work, or, worse, made things worse. I hear people tell others, and have had it said to me, well if you're not gonna take meds you just don't want any help.

People have been trained to believe that big pharma, doctors, and the like are god. Do not question, do not challenge, comply, obey or else be shunned, and also in pain. It's a technomedical cult in some regards to me. I know someone whose answer to EVERY problem, mental or physical, is go to dr and get some meds, or a procedure. When I challenged that, she said angrily, "well, that's what modern medicine IS!" I said, well no wonder the West is largely populated with physically and mentally ill people. And some western countries are worse than others. Like, the usa ranks somewhere under number ten, and I think it was more like under 20th spot for physical health despite it paying the most in healthcare! mental health is probably worse.

do the same thing, expect different results=insanity. But people have been trained to regard all aspects of "modern" medicine as the law of god, never to be questioned, and if you do, you are the problem. Whilst they take 30 pills a day and get sicker, sicker, sicker but think that's normal and if they just found the right pill, and keep taking these pills, surely their medical gods will transform them anew

not saying there is no use, and not a time/place for modern medicine with some things. It's very helpful in some regards. The balance has been lost. People are trained to NEVER listen to their own bodies, only to drs/drug companies. And if you claim you know your own body best...no no no, that is not accurate, get back line, under no circumstances are you an authority over your own body. Literally the West sold all its human bodies out to big pharma, imo. And if you think pharma and the technomedical industrial/capitalistic complex is purely there to make you healthy, rofl. Corruption, political ties, money money money, power power power to be made. Also, the industry seems to rarely admit it was wrong or made a mistake. And by now people should know that "scientific" studies can be bought and paid for to tweak or tell the results they want, for an agenda. Even though in real life, real science changes, you are supposed to try and prove your hypothesis wrong. Not take an iron-clad fist to the latest pill or med-fad and promote it like gospel even the face of scores of patients saying it doesn't work or there are problems.

Obviously some good people and worthy things with medicine. There is or can be a dark side to "modern" medicine, and people choose to turn a blind eye, even in the face of law suits against companies, drs arrested, etc. It can NEVER do wrong so nothing to see here, take your pills and move along.

And the mental health field, has, sadly, gone down this route, too. Also in terms of the thinking the medical route is the only way to mental health. And also refusing to believe they are not god and do know everything and might be wrong, which is human, but ok then let's find a new solution instead holding strong to the old one so you appear god-like and know everything cuz you're an "expert." It's called medical practice for a reason! Instead of helping patients/clients/human beings, they like to lord over and dictate and judge their subjects

Obviously some good mental health workers out there, so no offense to good drs and mental health workers.

The children's co.mmissionerseems silent on an awful lot - not least the impact of covid policies on children (lack of evidence of benefits of home schooling primary aged children, exams, why masks for under 12s, whether 'because it will encourage compliance in the community' is a reasonable justification for older children wearing masks)

And also ask MSPs to contact the Children’s Commissioner and ask why his office has been silent on the new guidance. He heartily endorsed the previous version and refused to pull his endorsement when the flaws were pointed out. Why the silence so far?

lbd I agree the SNP are going to do exactly what they want. I think this is the time for parents to speak amongst themselves and then approach their individual schools and LAs and start complaining about the guidance. In 2019, SAS said she was revising the guidance because she was worried people were losing faith in it (because it was bloody unlawful!!!) and so schools wouldn’t use it.

The new guidance is a beefed up version of the old guidance, except with the upfront warning to schools to take legal advice as appropriate(!j something cash strapped councils can ill afford. I think schools should be tackled with this pointed out- get them to “lose faith” and not implement the unlawful and unethical elements of it. Point out that ScotGov are well aware of the unlawful elements:

I’d also be writing to local councillors and opposition MSPs. The Tories are mildly sympathetic but still not quite willing to stick their necks out (with the exception of Murdo Fraser). If they hear from more of this, perhaps it will change.

But I think the emphasis should be more local. Give your school other options, TT, Sex Matters. Point out that GIDS does not recommend the social transition of young children and that they are neutral on adolescents, understanding the importance of the decision being made within the family. Point out the concerns the clinicians in Australia have re children coming to GIDS already socially transitioned and with a rigid mindset.

Ask why the guidance makes NO mention of the involvement of any mental health professionals that may be involved in the child’s life and who may recommend against affirming. There is no mention of the clinical side at all.,Why is this? Why does the guidance not take this into consideration (even after the IAW unit responsible was asked).

The SNP benefitted hugely from the pandemic. Aside from Sturgeon having a daily party political broadcast/propaganda on mainstream media everyday for over a year, it is generally the case that a crisis not of their own making favours the incumbant. People are more wary of change and issue for which they would normally be held to account are pushed off the public agenda.

It would be more realistic to allow them to choose how rich they are, what nationality they are, what language they speak, what kind of car they drive, their hair color, and what they want to do all the livelong day than their sex.

It's almost like this is a really eye-catching, infuriating topic that has the power to drag our attention away from our crumbling infrastructure, failing schools and disastrous health service.

I've thought this too! I do think some of the push, governments world-wide-wise, is for distraction (and for more Pharma customers).
Cuz it seems all of the West is obsessed with Covid and this gender stuff. It's like nothing else in life matters anymore. Just covid, covid, covid, gender, gender, gender. Like, omfg, there are other serious things in life too.

So anything else of importance in society, and there are MANY issues, which shouldn't be put off too much longer, are shoved away. Could be a way to destroy societies, from within.

We're all gonna die, or close, from something else, probably something practical, and be perplexed as to why or how; well, cuz, all the humans did was obsess over covid and gender and sex
foolish, if that's the truth. Probably purposely planned by ???? if that's the truth

I swear, every news program, paper, the world over in the West is 90% either covid or the gender stuff.
smh, we are all doomed, I fear.

Alex Massie's article is frightening.

Absolutely, littl.

It's almost like this is a really eye-catching, infuriating topic that has the power to drag our attention away from our crumbling infrastructure, failing schools and disastrous health service.

Oh and great article. Thanks for posting it

It don’t matter what we say

SG will do what they want

Yet drugs death alcohol deaths nhs waiting lists education attainment gap SG don’t seem to care

Cal Mac ferries bridges that have to close when it’s icy

The list goes on

It was said to be LGBT . but they never really mentioned gay or lesbian children
My government useless

Yet this is important

Wonder how many extra "consultations" scotgov are planning to run to "educate" the 98%

Still going ...

If we tolerate this yep I find Ihave the maniacs as a semi permanent ear worm just now

As a country we have fallen so very very far.

I really worry about how such absolutely wrong information is being endorsed by our government.

If we tolerate this (so to speak), how emboldened will the Scots govt. be and just how far are they prepared to go and how much of evidence-based policy making are they prepared to set aside.

The main actors in the Scottish Enlightenment must be spinning so hard in their graves that they're like to set up their own gravity field.