Boys school and Transgirls

You don't need to let them join the girls team or get changed in the girls changing room as that would discriminatory towards girls and a breach of safeguarding

Unfortunately things like this seem to be an "easy fix" for schools.

Given what many schools struggle with sue to societal intake vs a complete lack.of funding ( yeah tories thanks for that ) , I worry these kids are being used by schools to show their diversity /inclusion status.

Uts something they can do very easily and get a certificate. It's seen as something "positive" to advertise , that's easily achievable. I worry for the kids being used that way it's not for their benefit.

But I thought gender reassignment only legally applied to adults. For anyone under 18, the protected characteristics of gender reassignment doesn't exist so boys schools wouldn't have to admit any girls and vice versa with girls schools.

This is what makes it difficult legally. As a PP said, the legal definition of "gender reassignment" is very vague, and includes individuals who are planning to change gender:

"A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex."

So a competent lawyer could argue that a 13-year old could have gender reassignment as a protected characteristic.

However, we also know that there are single-sex exemptions under the Equality Act. I'm not sure if schools would fall under this.

Letting boys who identify as girls into a girls school but not boys who identify as boys would be discrimination against boys who identify as boys on the basis of gender reassignment. Schools may discriminate entry on the basis of sex (for single sex schools) and age and academic ability.

But I thought gender reassignment only legally applied to adults. For anyone under 18, the protected characteristics of gender reassignment doesn't exist so boys schools wouldn't have to admit any girls and vice versa with girls schools.

The protected characteristic of gender reassignment applies to all ages but doesn't mean they must be treated as the sex they identify with. It means you can't exclude a boy who identifies as a girl from a boys school or rugby team. You can't require a transgirl to sit at the back of the class or not allow them on a day out. You don't need to let them join the girls team or get changed in the girls changing room as that would discriminatory towards girls and a breach of safeguarding.

I would question the sanity of a parent who attempted this tbh. Their female child wouldn't exactly be safe on the sports field or getting changed.

I would hope that any boys identifying as girls whatever that actually means would be supported and allowed to explore their identity amongst their friends at the boys school.

What I worry will.happen is as with prisons. That boys will get the best of both worlds, that they can choose to remain where they are in the boys school as males do in the masons. And then they can pick what female oriented establishments they can also attend if they wish.

Usually boys get to keep their spaces and girls have theirs made mixed sex.

That 'assigned male at birth' - rather than simply 'male' - would lead to them being discriminatory if a male child with a VSD which had led to him being misidentified as female at birth and only correctly diagnosed at puberty. This probably shouldn't happen nowadays in the U.K. but it isn't impossible.

Boys' schools would worry about the safety of the TB and the dignity of the boys (so the TB would be denied entry to a place that 'matched their gender'.

Girl's' schools would (have -as in this has happened) worry about the safety of TG - so girls would have to budge over.

See a pattern here?

But I thought gender reassignment only legally applied to adults. For anyone under 18, the protected characteristics of gender reassignment doesn't exist so boys schools wouldn't have to admit any girls and vice versa with girls schools.

"Bonus that they don’t say assigned. I hate that phrasing - makes it sound like a random pick as baby emerges"
To me it always brings to mind the Hogwarts sorting hat.

@timeisnotaline yes, the creeping introduction of the term 'assigned at birth' is gaslighting a generation to mistrust the medical and scientific profession: "doctors, huh, what do they know! Trust a bunch of internet strangers identifying your 'feelz' instead." It's in the same territory as the antivaxxer, Scopes Trial stuff.

Am I right in thinking that the meaning of 'gender reassignment' is not very clear from the Equality Act? Whereas we all know what we mean by male/female, and used to be very clear what woman/girl/man/boy and other sex-related terms meant.

The terms transwoman/transman/transboy/transgirl are extremely confusing. I doubt this is accidental. I much prefer the ones we're not allowed to use here, which get abbreviated to something like the speaking clock of yore and an image format acronym.

Anyway, the Masons have so far been able to continue to exclude females from membership, while allowing transwomen who were members before transition to stay on.

Also, of course, famously the GRA makes it plain that a a female who transitions and gets a GRC will still be a female for the purposes of who inherits a peerage - so elder daughters are still behind sons in the queue to become a Lord, Duke, Earl etc. Revealing.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic-and that means at all stages of reassignment

I'd be very interested to see what would happen if this was challenged legally

I can imagine people being up in arms unlike when biological males want to join the guides and it's all 'settle down dears!'

I screenshotted this from the admissions policy of a boys' school.

I agree with it

Dd gets pissed off with PSHE though where the teacher bangs on about how it's important to use people's pronouns and how they'd be discriminatory not to let a boy who identified as a girl in, but then when dd asks if she could go to the allied boys school if she identified as a boy, the teachers gets all huffy and says no of course not

Children can't change their legal sex. Birth certificates sex will enable the elite schools to pick their students...

This is why trans girls/trans women should not be used. OP won't be the only one making that mistake and is why when told TWAW the reply is sometimes a confusef 'of course': people not familiar with the debate think you are referring to an adult human female who identifies as a man.

The 11+ exam generally favours boys. Even in the mixed grammar schools in our area there are more boys than girls because they tend to get higher test score on the types of questions in the 11+

I think single sex schools will probably take the path of sex based access? Coed schools is where the issues will occur.

My dds single sex girls school has said it will support girls who identify as boys but not allow male born people identifying as girls.

Not sure how they stand legally with this