Fetishes and Autogynephilia

MrsFenellaFielding

Given that cross dressing is a) a recognised paraphilia b) included in Stonewall's definition of transgender c) listed as a recognised transgender characteristic in submissions to both UK and Scottish Government by government funded charities, as a subject it should not be subject to deletion.

@SmokedDuck I agree

TAAT is thread about a thread. It's a warning to stick to the topic of the thread and not make it a discussion about the deleted threads.

I honestly wouldn't wish it on any woman and I'm sure @MsFenellaFielding would agree. However, I'm more and more convinced that women who haven't experienced/witnessed this behaviour are not well placed to be the arbiter.
I'm reticent to call out these women as 'dick panderers and handmaidens' as I think they JUST DON'T GET IT

#nothankyou

I have experience of colleagues with AGP in work environments where I have few or no female colleagues. In most cases I have found the colleagues with AGP behaviour towards me a very ‘uncomfortable experience’ and have changed work patterns and jobs to avoid them.

I do not believe TWAW

@MsFenellaFielding so you know the point I'm making. Sorry you experienced what I did

Oops - posted too soon. When we consider that fetish, by definition, tends to mean that a person often will not be able to have a very satisfying "normal" sex life, I think it becomes questionable that it isn't harmful, at least to the person involved.

Real fetishes largely seem to occur outside of the control of the individual, but I can't help but think that by normalising them, and also by exposing young people to more sexual material at young ages, or weird/unusual sexual images, we make that more likely to develop.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg my thoughts, too but maybe we are wrong? Has Queer Theory done such a good job that it's now no longer acknowledged?
I've been in a relationship with such a man - I know

Thanks for the caution @ClaraMumsnet. Mine was simply reporting on an official public talk given by an NHS employee to a room full of health care professionals, so hopefully not breaking any guidelines there?

I think maybe sometimes people use fetish a bit too generally, as if it is any slightly odd sexual taste.

I have recently had a relationship with an AGP man Illiria.

It was fucking horrific. Nearly 7 months 'good', then he revealed his fetish. I left the relationship within 5 weeks.

cor blimey, if we're not allowed to acknowledge now that some men get sexual enjoyment from wearing women's clothing then the world really has gone mad. literally every grown up knows this is a thing

I'm not sure I understand what you mean OP? This is a really muddled paragraph:

What is the official feminist line on fetishes such as autogynephilia in terms of 'gender'? Is it possible to be 'each to their own' without being negative about cross dressers?

Do you mean:
What is the official feminist line on fetishes?
What is the official feminist line on autogynephilia?
How does autogynephilia relate to concepts of 'gender'?

Is it possible to be 'each to their own (about fetishes?)
Is it possible to be a feminist and not be negative about cross dressers?

A lot to unpack here.

But what makes 'Lib Fems' so accepting of a fetish that is, essentially when practised in public, none consensual? Is it because they are ignorant? Is it a generational thing? Is it because 'transvestite' has been wiped from 'polite parlance'

For any new visitors to FWR who haven't watched the whole talk, warning you now about the 'refer to the dick as a clit' and 'transwomen with breast cancer may have a more difficult experience than women'....

The room is stunned into 'no questions' at the end

I have no issue with fetishes as long as they don't harm people (inc. indirectly) and as long as they don't involve unconsenting members of the public.

AGP fails on both of those criteria.

I've had extensive experience of AGP males over many decades, but it's a subject not allowed to be discussed on MN, as I found earlier tonight when a thread I posted on was deleted.

Titchy, my apologies.

No, thank you .

Crossdressers are also part of the Stonewall definition of "transgender"

Quite, pom.