#AskRapeCrisisScotland

Veggieburgers have long identified as transmeat, but supermakrkets have usually declined to include them in the meat fridge and instead offer them their own third space.

While I don't believe transwomen are "less safe" this transwomen is massively unsuitable for the position you do not bring a contradictory personal agenda to your place of work and reframe your work to accommodate

To put it simply

Dont bring a beefburger to a vegan restaurant and expect people to be happy

You just had to go and mention the swinging krankies! Brain bleach please...

If you haven't spent any time on twitter or been part of these conversations apart from occasionally lurking on MN then you've missed out on a lot of what influences the conversation on here.

Janette Tough is Wee Jimmie Krankie, lives as Wee Jimmie Krankie and is generally recognised as Wee Jimmie Krankie.

lurkermum, I hope you stick around and feel that you can still join in the conversation. It is a highly sensitive topic and this particular instance is a particularly sensitive one. It comes right down to the wire of women's consent, women's rights and women's boundaries. Sensitive for many. But we're here for women, at the end of the day. Always.

Mridhul Wadhwa is a trans woman, lives as a trans woman, is generally recognised as a trans women.

What does that have to do with anything?

Worth remembering that Mridhul is - or was - connected to various organisations with considerable politcal clout. Worked for Engender, I think, as well as Rape Crisis. Has been consulted by the ScotGov, I seem to recall. One of the other board of Rape Crisis is co-convenor of the Scottish Greens, or was until recently. It's all very closely intertwined. These orgs are govt funded.

This isn't just about one person who has taken a job they shouldn't have. It's about a whole network of people engineering this situation for political ends.

I don’t think trans women are less safe no. I don’t believe I have said that. This is descending into a chaos I didn’t intend. It’s a shame I couldn’t communicate my views clear enough and they have been taken out of the context I intended

I guess I’m appealing for humans to be thoughtful

Sometimes when a word is used a lot it becomes a euphemism. We forget what it really means. It’s worth taking a moment, as unpleasant as it might be, to really think about what rape entails and how unbelievably traumatic it is for the victim.

Go and read some rape victims’ stories. Go and read about the reality of what they experienced. The hideous, unimaginable violence. The knowledge that the worst of the ordeal may be yet to come. The knowledge that they may or may not be about to die. The experience of being a receptacle, a punching bag, a scapegoat for all of a man’s pent-up misogyny.

The way a whiff of aftershave or a certain kind of male voice or clothing can trigger their trauma decades later.

If you’re telling me that you could sit with a woman who’s experienced that, look her in the eye, and tell her she’s a ‘bigot’ who needs to ‘reframe her trauma’ and ‘be more thoughtful’, then I really can’t see how that’s anything other than misogyny.

Mridhul Wadhwa is not female. The CEO job was reserved for a female. Not sure how you're not getting this, Catherina.

I wonder if people end up questioning themselves as to why they are constantly telling women to be kind and thoughtful, and not the men who are calling them names for being able to identify male sex offenders.

How far do men have to go, before some women will de-prioritise them.

[quote lurkermum]@ArabellaScott Thankyou for your comments - I can understand much you have said.[/quote]
People rarely post photos of trans women here to ridicule them. It's fairly pointless, and not really the goal.

Any photos, or comments about looks, are generally used to jerk one out of one's misperceptions.

Women being forced, almost everywhere, to not be allowed to name the male sex as male, is gaslighting.

Telling little children, for instance, that they cannot identify the male sex, is a huge safeguarding failure.

The CEO of this rape crisis centre is not only telling women they must not identify the male sex (can you imagine that in the context of male sex offences), but that they will be subject to name-calling and re-education if they do.

Women have had to go to court, to bloody court, to have the fact that they believe sex is real, protected as a belief. (Calling a legally protected belief bigotry, is, I believe now discriminatory).

It's important to remember what's happening here.

A male individual, who says that discussing whether or not women orgasm during rape should be a 'priority', and has also said that their promotion of an ideology that means women should not be able to name male individuals, is also a priority, is now telling women but they must not identify the male sex, at a centre, which specifically deals with male sex offences against women.

Even here on MN, our words are restricted and deleted, so people will post photos, or talk about past deeds and words, in order to achieve clarity, not ridicule.

A Mumsnetter wrote an article about one's perceptions and how they are so easily manipulated. It's short, but well worth a read, as it's fairly eye-opening. It would be brilliant if you could read it, and give us your verdict!

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Well said Artichokeleaves

This is an appalling abuse of women. Everytime I think this shit can get no worse, it does. And our government does nothing to protect us.

I think when the focus moved from the victims to those ‘helping’ then it stinks.

Why haven’t they gone off and started specialist provision for the group they are more interested in?

As far as I know there is nothing to stop them from providing unisex or trans specific services and seeking funding accordingly.

But this idea that traumatised female rape victims should pretend they can’t see sex? How on earth can anyone running a rape crisis centre say this?

I guess I’m appealing for humans to be thoughtful

No, you are specifically appealing for female people to be 'thoughtful', by which you mean to place others' wishes and feelings above their own. You have no such expectations on the male people in this situation. Even though this is specifically about those male people being paid to provide care for female clients. It is not the job of counsellors to require service and care from their clients. For any service provider in this field to seek their own needs to be met by their clients is a massive, massive, unacceptable failure of basic professional requirements. It's an appalling failure. It demonstrates total unfitness to be in such a position of trust. And that's before we get on to 'part of my treating you will be to enforce compliance with my own political beliefs' and a CEO who has a very heavy personal stake in achieving this. It's an appalling situation all round, it's flat out unethical.

I’m just really tired of the lack of sensible discussion learning and understanding / tolerance from all sides

Bloody hell, I wonder what raped women are tired of? No, it's not 'both sides'. No one is telling TW to 'reframe their trauma' and get over their 'bigotry' about seeing female people's sex based needs as an unacceptable threat to their personal freedoms. No one is making access to care services conditional upon being subject to conversion therapy to the correct political beliefs and perceptions instead of their own. If you really see women standing up for other women as 'not sensible' then it's about time you considered why you see female humans as so much less valuable than male ones.

From Roddy Dunlop, Dean of the Faculty of Advocates ( which are Scottish Silks)

mobile.twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1425086901258706954

Lurkermum we KNOW already that NATWALT.

We also know NAMALT.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the trauma a female rape victim might experience in their presence.