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MaudTheInvincible · 10/08/2021 19:17

Is trending at number 1 in the UK at present. I haven't been around all day so I'm not sure what this has happened in response to and came here to find out, but there aren't any threads. Heart breaking reading these stories and the effects on rape victims who can't access support services because they've been excluded by male-centring policy.

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PronounssheRa · 11/08/2021 08:20

I guess I’m appealing for humans to be thoughtful

I take it you have also posted your appeal on twitter, pistonheads, reddit etc asking for men and transwomen to also be thoughtful?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/08/2021 08:18

They got the job. So that’s a point null in void. They identify as a woman

MW got the job based on a lie.

lurkermum · 11/08/2021 08:14

They got the job. So that’s a point null in void. They identify as a woman .

Regardless of wether I agree or not . Wether they should do the job based on their current conduct or their recent comments is another thing entirely and something that is a concern .

KittenKong · 11/08/2021 08:09

The job was specifically for a woman.

lurkermum · 11/08/2021 08:08

I’m not appealing for
Women to be nice . That’s an odd concept in itself .
I guess I’m appealing for humans to be thoughtful
I shared my opinion and thoughts which I presumed was the point of a forum.
If I am alone in thinking some of the comments are off then so be it. I’m just really tired of the lack of sensible discussion learning and understanding / tolerance from all sides. It doesn’t help . I just find it all a bit sad. People should be able to make choices about how they live their lives , who they choose to be - but everyone needs to also learn tolerance and understanding. Including that CEO- including women . Including everyone.

Beamur · 11/08/2021 08:02

You are appealing for women to be nice, while the CEO of a rape crisis is calling rape survivor's bigots for needing single sex spaces
Says it all.

somethinginoffensive · 11/08/2021 07:54

some of the comments on here citing MAN

Almost as though recognising someone's sex is a bad thing. What are you on about?

PronounssheRa · 11/08/2021 07:52

Pointing out someone's sex when it's relevant to the issue isn't cruel, it facilitates communication. I think the picture was posted to highlight the closeness to sturgeon rather than to mock.

You are appealing for women to be nice, while the CEO of a rape crisis is calling rape survivor's bigots for needing single sex spaces.

ErstwhileGoth · 11/08/2021 07:51

@lurkermum

I am concerned about what the new CEO is saying.

Therapy should NEVER be political I do not understand that as a statement. Very strange.

Not sure they are the right person for the job at all.

That being said - some of the comments on here citing MAN and ridiculing pictures of this human. Well to be honest . I’m shocked at this. Why ? Doesn’t really make you any better to be so cruel and SO vindictive.

In summary - I don’t agree with lots of things the CEO has said, I’m not really a fan of them being CEO as they do not seem up for the task.

But to to see women be so cruel, such bully’s on here- REALLY quite sad.. no wonder we have such issues we can’t resolve between different communities. Cruelty is never a helpful Way forward . Have we not Learned this?

Are you telling women to be kind?
lurkermum · 11/08/2021 07:27

I am concerned about what the new CEO is saying.

Therapy should NEVER be political I do not understand that as a statement. Very strange.

Not sure they are the right person for the job at all.

That being said - some of the comments on here citing MAN and ridiculing pictures of this human. Well to be honest . I’m shocked at this. Why ? Doesn’t really make you any better to be so cruel and SO vindictive.

In summary - I don’t agree with lots of things the CEO has said, I’m not really a fan of them being CEO as they do not seem up for the task.

But to to see women be so cruel, such bully’s on here- REALLY quite sad.. no wonder we have such issues we can’t resolve between different communities. Cruelty is never a helpful Way forward . Have we not Learned this?

Beamur · 11/08/2021 07:18

When the legitimate belief (proven in law) that people can't change sex is reframed as bigotry, given the specific circumstances of this situation, it's not just gaslighting, surely it's borderline hate?

AnyOldPrion · 11/08/2021 06:50

’Because you know, to me, therapy is political, and it isn't always seen as that.'

I haven’t seen anyone else comment on this last line in Wadhwa’s speech. There’s a reason why therapy isn’t always seen as political and that’s because therapy should never be political.

Also thank you to CharleyParley for another interesting post:

There remains a question about applying for a job as a legal male that quotes Schedule 9 of the Equality Act which normally limits a job to applicants of one sex, but ultimately it is up to the organisation to decide who they employ.

However, if a man had wanted to apply for the job, but was turned down and referred to the Schedule 9 Genuine Occupational Requirement restriction, such a rejected male candidate could argue that he'd been unlawfully discriminated against by RCS accepting another legal male while rejecting him, but I do not believe any such potential candidates exist.

Here is a clear demonstration of a situation where the framework of the Equality Act lets women down. It ought to be possible to legally challenge the decision taken by RCS. Women who are unable to use this service ought to have some kind of legal redress, but I can’t see any way the law could be applied to protect those women.

And so the only people protected here are men who applied alongside Wadhwa, but were rejected because of their sex. And of course no other man applied because the advert was specific about the requirement to be a woman. The only theoretical challenge I can imagine is a man who was otherwise well qualified for this job, but chose not to apply, because the wording of the advertisement suggested men were excluded, when in fact that proved not to be the case.

Either way, the women who should be protected by the law, the women who need that protection most, appear not to be covered, unless someone who understands the law better than me can clarifiy?

MiladyBerserko · 11/08/2021 03:29

Good thread started by Rachel Moran

mobile.twitter.com/RachelRMoran/status/1425170605440126984

StrangeLookingParasite · 11/08/2021 01:50

@CatherinaJTV

A trans woman is a woman, a man is a man.
Sorry, I'm an atheist.
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TalkingOutYerArse · 11/08/2021 00:56

@Waitwhat23

In the words of another poster on here, regarding Nicola Sturgeon -

'Feminist? Are ye, aye?'

Wee Jimmy Crankie. Cannae stand the woman. Feminist my fucking arse.
Waitwhat23 · 11/08/2021 00:44

In the words of another poster on here, regarding Nicola Sturgeon -

'Feminist? Are ye, aye?'

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BonesJones · 11/08/2021 00:30

The disparity between transpeople wah wah wahing about 'LITERAL' violence when someone uses a 'wrong' word, yet raped, abused, genuinely traumatised and terrified women need to stfu and 'be educated'...its indefensibly baffling, and sick.

irresistibleoverwhelm · 11/08/2021 00:10

How often have you ever seen a TW told that the answer to their trauma and fear of male spaces is to get over their prejudices?

Indeed. Given that statistics show that transwomen are rather less statistically likely (in the UK) to be victims of violence than women are, why aren't transwomen generally being told that their fears are unjustified, they are safer than they think in the mens' loos, and anyway, NAMALT?

Why is the approved narrative "transwomen just want to pee in peace because they are incredibly frightened of male violence and must feel safe"; but somehow also "female rape victims who are in fear of male violence after an actual sexual attack DON'T have the right to feel safe if someone else doesn't approve of that"?

Cailleach1 · 11/08/2021 00:01

Having to interact with a male at such a traumatic time, irrespective of how they personally identify, would be the reason I would avoid that service too. Hoping that there is a service which is female run at such a vulnerable time for any woman who has been sexually assaulted.

Cailleach1 · 10/08/2021 23:54

[quote Waitwhat23]**@ClaraMumsnet can I ask why your post says 'trans rights moderation policy' when the title of the document you linked to is 'Mumsnet moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex'? If there is a 'trans rights' moderation policy, where is the corresponding 'women's rights' policy?

Also, a poster on this thread has used the word 'cultish' to refer to GC beliefs. I have seen many women's posts deleted for using the word cult or cultish in respect to gender ideology. Why has this apparent breach of the rules been allowed to stand?[/quote]
Yes, @ClaraMumsnet , I was also deleted for using the word cult. It was said to be 'unkind' in the answer to my query as to why it had been deleted. As GC 'beliefs' are based on science, calling them 'cultish' is not just the low bar of 'unkind' , but anti science. So, contrary to evidence based reality. That could be construed as misinformation. It would be dreadful to let deliberate misinformation and misrepresentation of scientific, biological reality stand.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/08/2021 23:51

@DazzlePaintedBattlePants

Are there any single sex rape crisis charities in Scotland? I feel like doing some digging for charities that provide single sex support for female rape victims north of the Border. Sounds like they need it :(
Very few, see Women & Girls In Scotland's thread here

mobile.twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1424334290586849281

Personally my spare pennies are going to For Women Scotland because their fight to stop the bastard Scotgov redefining woman could be pivotal.

Chickenyhead · 10/08/2021 22:55

@Pallisers

Because you know, to me, therapy is political, and it isn't always seen as that.'

Thank you for posting the full remarks. This statement in particular is chilling. Therapy actually was always seen as political - particularly when it came to therapy for women. PND, the refrigerator mother, responses to rape, inability to treat minor sexual assaults as nothing much - all of these have been traditionally politicised by a male-centered society and government to minimise women's actual experience.

It is sad and alarming that the director of a rape crisis centre has explicitly said that therapy is political rather than patient-centered.

And rather begs the question - which politics? Who decides on them?

The resemblance to traditional religion is breath-taking. Missionaries/taking the soup/repentence in exchange for a refuge. There really is nothing new under the sun.

Quite.

Those darn hysterical, neurotic women.

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