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Is it OK to laugh at men in dresses?

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Womanwearingtrousers · 09/08/2021 19:13

Regular poster but NC as this is outing.

I've recently seen several different performances from a rep company and it's made me muse on the subject of men in dresses.

The nature of the company and the plays they put on means that in some roles the sexes have been switched so a woman plays a role originally intended for a man but as a woman, and vice versa. All quite standard.

In some cases however, men are required to play women and women to play men. Again, not unusual.

When the women play men, they may play it for laughs but it doesn't have much of an effect. Women in men's clothes or with fake beards aren't automatically funny apparently.

Where the men play women, simply seeing men in dresses provokes much hilarity. The hilarity is accepted and expected.

I'm assured some people find Mrs Brown's Boys hilarious. Again, largely due to a man in women's clothes. Same with pantomime dames.

There are some similarities with drag, though I know that's a grey area now with some claiming to be TW.

All these scenarios appeal to different audiences, but the reaction is always that laughter based merely on appearance and not the performance is accepted and expected.

If any of these men dressed in this manner and said they identified as women, they would be told how fabulous they were, how amazing they look. There would be no place for even the slightest snigger at a male with a beard in a dress. There would also be abuse, for sure, but that's not my point.

I don't personally find such things amusing because I don't think a man is demeaned by wearing a dress and we should be past that.

I'm just confused. Aren't actors / theatres all very progressive and TWAW? Does the BBC have no issue with Mrs Brown's Boys given their stance on these matters?

Why is it sometimes ok to find it funny/unexpected to see a male wearing a dress and other times not?

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MadameMinimes · 09/08/2021 21:46

You raise some interesting points but I do think it works the other way too. I saw Katy Owen as Malvolio at the globe and she was bloody hilarious. Having said that, I think it was partly funny because of the some of those same sexist tropes. Having him played by a tiny woman in a fake moustache emasculated the character. I loved her in it, but you’ve given me food for thought.

NiceGerbil · 09/08/2021 21:38

Men donning a frock etc for stags is common and the point is it's ridiculous and hahaha.

If no longer allowed to be funny then that will go.

I dislike it because it's about taking a step down.

Panto etc the dames are to me same idea as drag. More or less. Boobs! Slutty! Old prude!

Ha de fucking ha.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/08/2021 21:34

It would depend on the context.

Womanless weddings men in a wedding or bridesmaid dress etc. used to be a fund-raiser for civic and charitable organisations. Scroll to 2nd page to see a photograph. (Sorry for length of URL but I want people to be able to see what a URL.)

books.google.co.uk/books?id=laagEB2InacC&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=male+weddings+charity+wedding+dresses+%22united+states%221960s&source=bl&ots=PBNNvusTWG&sig=bqtA9siu_jMibKZgs5n23BmmtLs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR6pn07vTbAhXhB8AKHWHtAMAQ6AEIUjAM#v=onepage&q=male%20weddings%20charity%20wedding%20dresses%20%22united%20states%221960s&f=false

There's some discussion of contexts in which "rituals of inversion" like this are intentionally supposed to be humorous and disruptive.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 09/08/2021 21:26

It's interesting that a man playing a woman is funny, but a woman in man's clothing is not. I think that these sorts of things show up the power relationship in our society. Women wear mens clothes - trousers, all the time and there is nothing wrong with that because they are 'acting up'. A man wearing a dress is 'acting down' and this is why men, on the whole, don't do it. And why we find it funny when some actors do.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 09/08/2021 21:22

I don’t think the popularity of Mrs Browns boys in Ireland is as simple as the absurdity of ‘the man in a dress’. O’Carroll sends up the image of the perfect Irish mammy and gets away with being foul mouthed, (in the way many mammy’s probably want to be) because he is a man not a mammy.

Drag and panto dames are played to put women down, make them look pathetic but Mrs Brown feels different to me. It feels like O’Carroll is letting the Irish mammy step out of the genteel saint/martyr role Irish society has tried to force her into but in a way that wont scare the men. Mrs Brown is in control of the joke rather than being the joke.

Or maybe I’m writing a load of shite

notagermannoun · 09/08/2021 20:53

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