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I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/08/2021 15:19

@Glinner sent this round today:

"(From a thread by @Forwomenscot) The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma" Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service."

The CEO is Mridul Wadhwa, a male person who does not have a GRC and who believes that rape victims orgasm.

The podcast twitter account is blocking everyone who says "WTF?" etc

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ScreamingMeMe · 11/08/2021 18:48

[quote 76FDre421]This is amusing. DFW will never be quite good/inclusive enough for her preferred audience..
twitter.com/GuiltFemPod/status/1425373217666048002[/quote]
You have to be constantly on guard against the truth slipping out!

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2021 18:38

Yeah, they're not harmful unless you consider swearwords harmful.

NecessaryScene · 11/08/2021 18:28

"Harmful claims"

That's an interesting euphemism/deflection.

I guess a rape accusation is a "harmful claim" too.

Why DO women keep making harmful claims?

Mrsjamin · 11/08/2021 18:23

Rape crisis Scotland have posted this blogpost saying they have been the target of "coordinated and harmful claims". They're just not listening to women and are centring the needs of a man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2021 17:59

Yes, that's a good point R0, hadn't considered that.

R0wantrees · 11/08/2021 15:20

If MW was only a fundraiser, I wouldn't have any issue at all, any non frontline role that didn't give MW control of policy affecting women and girls, or the ability to push the TRA agenda.

As much of fundraising is about grant applications, those who have responsibility for securing funds will be influencing organisations' policy.

CharlieParley · 11/08/2021 15:18

As far as I can see Wadwha's involvement with VAWG services has only being in paid positions, initially providing training to volunteers and then primarily focussed on securing funding.

MW has worked on the National Helpline speaking to survivors and counselled four survivors a week as a manager at Forth Valley (to "stay connected with the cause").

Given the publicly demonstrated inability to empathise with female survivors and the profound ignorance on what trauma-informed counselling requires, I find this very concerning.

TheHandmadeTails · 11/08/2021 14:46

^the tweeter likes to “challenge gender assumptions” by showing off their breasts but wearing a he/him badge. It must blow people’s minds. Also uses the f slur in Twitter bio.

Itreallytiedtheroomtogether · 11/08/2021 14:28

[quote 76FDre421]This is amusing. DFW will never be quite good/inclusive enough for her preferred audience..
twitter.com/GuiltFemPod/status/1425373217666048002[/quote]
I've just shown that tweet to my DH and watched his brain try to work through the mental gymnastics required to make sense of it.
It's a man having sex with a women to try and have a baby - where the hell is the trans in that?

76FDre421 · 11/08/2021 14:12

This is amusing. DFW will never be quite good/inclusive enough for her preferred audience..
twitter.com/GuiltFemPod/status/1425373217666048002

cariadlet · 11/08/2021 13:50

Just been blocked on Twitter by DFW for saying that women who have been raped shouldn't have to reframe their trauma.
It doesn't say much for the strength of her argument if she blocks anyone who disagrees with her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2021 12:22

As far as I can see Wadwha's involvement with VAWG services has only being in paid positions, initially providing training to volunteers and then primarily focussed on securing funding.

If MW was only a fundraiser, I wouldn't have any issue at all, any non frontline role that didn't give MW control of policy affecting women and girls, or the ability to push the TRA agenda.

TheHandmadeTails · 11/08/2021 12:19

More info on MW if anyone hasn’t already read -
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-fox-in-the-hen-house

Tibtom · 11/08/2021 09:58

Aka "centering ME in rape crisis services"

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R0wantrees · 11/08/2021 09:46

Yes, it's ME, ME, ME. The guilty feminist podcast interview fawning to prioritise ME, ME, ME. The 're-frame your trauma' demand of rape victims as it's all about ME, ME, ME. The calling women wanting females only to VALIDATE ME, ME, ME

The opposite of women in VAWG who prioritise women, not themselves.

As far as I can see Wadwha's involvement with VAWG services has only being in paid positions, initially providing training to volunteers and then primarily focussed on securing funding. Wadwha's previous role was training telesales teams in India how to pretend to be American so they may be better received.

Shaping the training, policies and acquired funding over more than a decade has indeed enabled Mridhul Wadwha to "create their own world" within the Women's Sector in Scotland all whilst drawing a salary.

FindTheTruth · 11/08/2021 07:28

Well not surprised 😣. Another poster on another thread linked to Rape Crisis Scotland policy that MEN CAN CHOOSE THE SEX of the counsellor 🤬AIBU To be asked to reframe my trauma by the trans CEO of Scottish Rape Crisis?

source: twitter.com/Gillian_Philip/status/1425155716822753290

MaudTheInvincible · 11/08/2021 07:24

@Abhannmor

Or 'get over yourself'. It's not such a big trauma. Not like you're trans or something.....

Yes, this.

I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...
FindTheTruth · 11/08/2021 07:21

"and it really transformed ME"

Isn't it interesting how that is a phrase that women who work with victims of male violence never use? They universally focus on the people they aim to help

Yes, it's ME, ME, ME. The guilty feminist podcast interview fawning to prioritise ME, ME, ME. The 're-frame your trauma' demand of rape victims as it's all about ME, ME, ME. The calling women wanting females only to VALIDATE ME, ME, ME

The opposite of women in VAWG who prioritise women, not themselves.

FindTheTruth · 11/08/2021 07:15

@R0wantrees really interesting re narcissistic supply and flying monkey abuse by proxy. My perception is that the guilty feminists fall into the 'naive' type. If they were at all informed by experts (such as Karen Ingala Smith) the interview would (I hope) have been different.

It still leaves the question around the psyche of males obsessed with and demanding entry to spaces for female bodied violence, trauma, bodily funcitons.... Narcissism sure but it's more than that...

Abhannmor · 11/08/2021 07:09

Or 'get over yourself'. It's not such a big trauma. Not like you're trans or something.....

JustGotHere · 11/08/2021 02:23

The orgasm comment has me wondering if the reframing is along the lines of, “just try to enjoy yoursellf.” Some kind of queering of rape counseling.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/08/2021 23:57

PlayYouLikeAShark

Thank you for that. She's an eloquent writer.

And worth a follow, if you're on twitter.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/08/2021 23:56

R0wantrees "and it really transformed me"

Isn't it interesting how that is a phrase that women who work with victims of male violence never use? They universally focus on the people they aim to help.

We don't need genital inspectors at toilet doors - women can see a person's sex. Even in writing.

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R0wantrees · 10/08/2021 23:19

There must have been and continue to be systemic failings within the Scottish Women's Sector that enabled someone who failed to disclose significant information at interview to remain in post/s , progress to senior management and become celebrated.

Wadwha has been entrenched within not only the Women's Sector but also LGBTQ+ organisations and SDP for over a decade.

Ibid. transcript
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"I did a Masters at Edinburgh University, there was a job going at Shakti and I just completed a masters in training. And they needed someone to do some training. It wasn't by design. I just applied for this job, it looked interesting."

^So I've worked in the women's sector now since 2005, so quite a few years. And when I worked at Shakti Women's Aid, you know, it was eye opening, not just to see an experience, like what does domestic abuse really look like... So my work in Women's Aid in the early years of my career was around raising awareness about this and it really transformed me. But I also found a real group of wonderful, and mostly immigrant women of colour, working to change this, and many of us still are, even like 15, 16 years later. But also many of us were qualified to do other things with our lives. But we couldn't find those, you know, a space and those careers that we trained for, because of
racism, really, and found ourselves in this organisation. So it's a real interesting journey how many of us got there. And for me, it was just luck and coincidence, but it changed my life completely."^