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I think I've figured out why the Guilty Feminists feel guilty...

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/08/2021 15:19

@Glinner sent this round today:

"(From a thread by @Forwomenscot) The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma" Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service."

The CEO is Mridul Wadhwa, a male person who does not have a GRC and who believes that rape victims orgasm.

The podcast twitter account is blocking everyone who says "WTF?" etc

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littlbrowndog · 09/08/2021 22:28

Above from this report

wgscotland.org.uk/reports/

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2021 22:27

They told us that as a result of this, staff have been so disillusioned that they are currently arranging meetings outside of work to be able to discuss their concerns together and how to handle them. They told us they are also very concerned at the rhetoric from many women’s services and national organisations implying that any requirement for female-only provision is transphobic. And in fact our group has been contacted by women who are currently on Rape Crisis Scotland (RCS) waiting lists for support, and who are absolutely terrified to ask for support on a female-only basis due to rhetoric both from RCS and from some of their network of services. One woman who has experienced multiple forms of abuse since childhood told us “I also feel like I am being victim blamed by Rape Crisis for not wanting there to be males in the centre when I am there. I don’t see how it is wrong that I feel the way I do after what I have gone through, and I don’t see why I should have to go through more distress just to get help”. We also know of at least one individual who has stepped back from accessing support because she finds it unbearable that her need for a female-only service is deemed transphobic.
Staff also noted with us that any potential adverse impact of these policies will disproportionately impact on the most vulnerable women, minority women, and women from working class backgrounds. They explained that in their view the most traumatised women are the least able to cope with male inclusion, and minority women often cannot access such services if they are mixed sex for religious or cultural reasons, and women with the least financial resources won’t have an alternative if the loss of female-only women’s services means they have to self-exclude. It was highlighted that these women are therefore the most likely to end up being unable to access the support they need if there is no longer any female-only women’s services.
Staff also told us that they were very disappointed at the lack of engagement from their national level organisations regarding reform of the GRA

Anotheruser02 · 09/08/2021 22:21

@Hoping4second

I volunteer at a homeless outreach. Some of our service users are high, some are violent, some hate women. And yet we don't "educate". That's not the brief. We give food, clothes, and practical help. We've had to temporarily exclude people from the premises due to behaviour that endangered us and other service users but it was always temporary. Welcome back as soon as they are no longer a danger.

I am flabbergasted that this individual sees giving help to vulnerable people at the most vulnerable time of their lives as nothing more than an opportunity to preach and convert, on pain of denying service. That is despicable. I don't approve of drugs (strong opinion there) but would never lecture a service user on their drug use. First, they have other priorities. Second, my opinions are irrelevant! It's not about me! Third, in what universe do you deny service to someone in need based on their beliefs.

The world has gone mad.

You sound really nice and good at your job and completely suited to working with vulnerable people.
Thelnebriati · 09/08/2021 22:17

JFC.
Aren't they a federation?

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2021 22:14

Post stuff on Twitter saying you are all mean bitches

That’s what they have done

No doubt sturgeon feminist to her fingertips will back them up

They are too afraid to say anything else. Funding and the management

MiladyBerserko · 09/08/2021 22:12

Ereshkigalangcleg
Yes, self interest, and self preservation seem to be the top items on DFW's list.

Fuck sake, feminism is just full on commoditised by the likes of her, trading her sorry ass so that they come for the other women first

Thelnebriati · 09/08/2021 22:12

What are Rape Crisis going to do about this?

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2021 22:07

She’s the sort of woman who would get funded by Scottish government

MiladyBerserko · 09/08/2021 22:05

I'm sure she does have trans friends and good luck to them all, but in her position I'm sure just saying TWAW is not enough.
Nowhere fucking near enough.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2021 22:02

It does really show that words don't mean anything in Queer World, because DFW is not a Feminist by any definition I am aware of.

It struck me earlier that this woman's main interest in feminism is self interest, and the interests of her peers. She's exactly the kind of woman who works for Engender, Fawcett etc.

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2021 22:01

@Hoping4second

I volunteer at a homeless outreach. Some of our service users are high, some are violent, some hate women. And yet we don't "educate". That's not the brief. We give food, clothes, and practical help. We've had to temporarily exclude people from the premises due to behaviour that endangered us and other service users but it was always temporary. Welcome back as soon as they are no longer a danger.

I am flabbergasted that this individual sees giving help to vulnerable people at the most vulnerable time of their lives as nothing more than an opportunity to preach and convert, on pain of denying service. That is despicable. I don't approve of drugs (strong opinion there) but would never lecture a service user on their drug use. First, they have other priorities. Second, my opinions are irrelevant! It's not about me! Third, in what universe do you deny service to someone in need based on their beliefs.

The world has gone mad.

It’s not about you

Yes exactly

cariadlet · 09/08/2021 22:01

This evening's been a bit of a revelation

I tweeted the guiltily feminist, got into my first ever twitter spat and then fell into a complete rabbit hole by looking up someone who had tweeted me.

I hadn't realised that we're all a bunch of cranks who are detached from reality and that TERFery is just Britain qanon! 🤔

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2021 22:00

I feel like working in this area for some is simply a badge of honour for their CV. And narcissistic power play for others.

Yes, I think that's apparent. Could these insincere people all fuck off now please and stop trying to further their own agendas?

It's been borne out in surveys that when people have bothered to consult the actual women who use women's services rather than the CEOs and managers, the majority of women value female only space for recovery and mental well-being.

Mrsjamin · 09/08/2021 21:56

DFW has been TWAW for years. She's said before that she believes this as she has trans friends. I don't think she has been targeted by TRAs

FindTheTruth · 09/08/2021 21:55

@PlayYouLikeAShark

This is an excellent thread from Twitter from a man who counsels rape & assault survivors.

Twitter thread

Excellent thread by a man who gets it completely
FindTheTruth · 09/08/2021 21:55

I'm still staggered by the people who made MW CEO. Was it cowardice? Apathy? Lack of humanity?

MiladyBerserko · 09/08/2021 21:52

She backed it all up on her Twitter feed.

It does really show that words don't mean anything in Queer World, because DFW is not a Feminist by any definition I am aware of.

I do suspect she has been under a lot of pressure to go the last mile by the TRAs, only full capitulation and subservience is acceptable after all.

She's not quite yet there though.

The final stage will be defending throwing the 'bigoted cis women' out of the rape crisis centres and telling them they deserved to be raped for their bigotry.

EightiesRobot · 09/08/2021 21:38

I used to listen to the Guilty Feminist years ago. I can't listen to this. How did DFW respond on the show?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/08/2021 21:38

That Rape Crisis Scotland statement is quite something. I am genuinely angry about this gaslighting of vulnerable women. Where exactly is the campaign of misinformation when they themselves say this?! Angry

Sexual violence is a gendered and has a disproportionate impact on women and girls; our services reflect that. Women only spaces are a core principle of the Rape Crisis movement and upheld through our National Service Standards (read these here). These spaces include women with a diverse range of lived experience and views, including trans women and girls.

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/blogs/news/1038/redir/

PartyofPun · 09/08/2021 21:34

The guilt trip feminist.

I can’t believe I’ve recommended her to people.

I think her cohost was non binary so I can see why she’d want to be supportive but there’s a massive different between supporting people you know and guilt tripping rape victims.

It’s like the days of the Christian missionary’s when they’d feed an educate you but only if you lived the beliefs they imposed on you.

BuffysBigSister · 09/08/2021 21:33

twitter.com/VoteWithOurFeet/status/1424829168303419401

A short blog post from Sole Sisters in Scotland. Here is the direct link to the blog for those not on Twitter. Sums up the rage many of us feel about so-called feminist organisations

womenvotingwithourfeet.wordpress.com/2021/08/09/sex-matters-female-victims-sexual-assault/

MiladyBerserko · 09/08/2021 21:32

Indeed. Where are all the defenders of the most oppressed group ever? Please, come on now and tell us all exactly HOW you propose to reeducate raped women with regards their bigotry towards males

Abhannmor · 09/08/2021 21:29

@AtlasNeverShrugged

Oh, Deborah, you could have done a "Caitlin Moran" and just ignored the whole fiery debate. You could have just pretended that you didn't know what feminists were discussing.

But no.

You chose men.

Be fair - not everyone can pretend to be as thick as Caitlin Moran.
ArabellaScott · 09/08/2021 21:26

So, where are the people who think Mridhul/DFW is in the right, here? Where are you?

We have had lots of people supportive of the TRA/gender ideology recently.

Where are you now? Can you come out and tell us, right here, what is wrong with a woman asking for a female rape counsellor and not wanting a male one, not even if they identify as a woman?

MiladyBerserko · 09/08/2021 21:20

It's not relevant. The Guilty feminist was a 'funny' podcast which started off with...

'I'm a feminist, buUUUUt....' followed by various observations on why the comparison with stereotyped bra burning feminism was a pile of old shite anyway. But it was a bit amusing.

The 'BuUUUt' now is 'I put males before women everytime, even when they have been victims of Male violence, and THEN try to guilt the women into saying I'm right'

BA-BOOM!

Ha Ha Ha!