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Material Girls by Kathleen Stock

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StrawberrySquirrelThief · 08/08/2021 11:11

99p on kindle today if anyone is interested.

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MaudTheInvincible · 09/08/2021 15:06

Yes, I only checked whether there was anything worth getting the night before last, but would have missed this without OP's kindness! I like to have physical books, so wouldn't have paid full price for a kindle version too, but at 99p I've now got both Grin

Jaysmith71 · 09/08/2021 09:59

Back at 8.99 this morning.

You have to watch for these flash offers.

RoyalCorgi · 09/08/2021 08:21

Both the Stock and Joyce books are excellent, though I preferred Joyce's as more accessible.

I know there's been another thread on it, but if people are looking for something more entertaining on this topic, do read The End of the Earth is Flat by Simon Edge - a satire on the trans movement in general and Stonewall in particular. It really does bring home how mad this whole business is.

transdimensional · 09/08/2021 03:40

One word of jargon Stock uses that she doesn't explain, but I think I've understood from context - "ahistorical".

I would previously have understood this to mean something like "contrary to historical fact".

The dictionary definition is "lacking historical context or perspective".

The actual meaning in Stock seems to be something like "not specific to a particular time period" or "true across all times and places".

For example, she speaks of the gender ideologists who "deny the ahistorical reality of two sexes".

It's one of the rare times that she slipped into philosopher jargon without explaining herself.

AfternoonToffee · 08/08/2021 23:17

It's on Google play for 99p as well so I have purchased it from there. Still need to finish the other book (s) first but will get to it.

Soontobe60 · 08/08/2021 19:24

Thanks @AntiSocialDistancer, ordered it.

AntiSocialDistancer · 08/08/2021 18:21

@Soontobe60

Just out of interest, if I buy the kindle version, can I read it in my iPad?
Yes, you can download the Kindle App on your ipad (I have it)
Soontobe60 · 08/08/2021 18:18

Just out of interest, if I buy the kindle version, can I read it in my iPad?

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 18:12

Irreversible *

AfternoonToffee · 08/08/2021 18:09

It's a shame it's on Amazon, oh well I still have Trans to read.

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 17:55

I have this, trans, and irreparable damage.

EightiesRobot · 08/08/2021 16:11

It's an excellent read although not as easy for non-philosophy students to get into as Trans. I'd recommend both but have bought more copies of Trans to pass on to those with an interest but not involved in the discussion.

MajesticWhine · 08/08/2021 14:17

Thanks OP

Veeta · 08/08/2021 13:55

Thanks OP, I’d just finished Trans by Helen Joyce and now I have a new book to read!

CarpeVitam · 08/08/2021 13:45

👍

moofolk · 08/08/2021 13:37

It's worth reading but steel yourself, there's likely to be nothing new in there, and some irritating aspects.

It's not written for people who are already involved in the debate, which is why it's receiving so much ire from a lot of feminists.

But I think if she didn't pull her punches as much as she has, those undecided people it's really written for wouldn't read it.

I'm on the Helen Joyce one now and I think it's much better (so far).

Material Girls by Kathleen Stock
MishyJDI · 08/08/2021 13:34

Oh dear, it's already in the markdown $ basket. Even 99p is too much to pay for a piece of fiction writing. But hey, at least she isn't being silenced! Enjoy!

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/08/2021 13:31

Thank you StrawberrySquirrelThief Grin

I am looking forward to reading it.

Jaysmith71 · 08/08/2021 12:15

@TooWicked

Interesting that Amazon shows that all the 5 star reviews are verified purchases, and all the 1 star reviews aren’t. Grin
The One-Star Reviews, eight of them at time of writing, are pathetic whiney howls devoid of any argument.

"She gets the Equality Act wrong...." (Pray tell us how.)

"Waste of trees" (Not the envirnmentally friendly Kindle edition.)

And frequent demands that nobody must buy and/or read this book.

My leather-jacketted Bradburyesque Trotskyite polytechnic lecturers of old who urged us all to read Conservative historians would be appalled.

transdimensional · 08/08/2021 12:08

I'm reading it atm. It's not quite as easy a read as Joyce (even though Stock is very easy to read by philosopher standards) but it's really good.
In earlier chapters at least, Stock seems to imply that although TRAs have their own definition of "woman", they have the same (biological) definition of "female" as the rest of us. Of course, sadly this isn't always the case, and both words are being redefined.

AntiSocialDistancer · 08/08/2021 12:05

Love my hardback version!

SnoopyLights · 08/08/2021 11:56

I bought the hardback but I've bought the kindle one now as well, thank you.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2021 11:52

It's a very good read. I don't agree with everything she says (faints) but was challenged with some of my own assumptions.

EishetChayil · 08/08/2021 11:49

Bought! Thank you!

MaudTheInvincible · 08/08/2021 11:47

Brilliant! Thank you Thanks

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