I think I’m going mad….

wealthy British white women

It never takes long does it?

Wish trans people had the power of wealthy British white women that can literally silence any criticism by wielding institutional power against their critics.

I had similar with dh about 5 years ago OP. It felt very much like he had joined a cult. I couldn't understand half of the terms that he was hurling at me (What the fuck is a hill to die on? What does outlier mean? Who the fuck is Jordan Peterson?)

I suspect that he was experiencing the cognitive dissonance of knowing what he knows about me against the prevailing view of all decent and right thinking people who were (I think) of the "trans people are a special type of gay people" viewpoint. Whereas I had just found out about the paraphilia that we are not allowed to mention. And therefore I could immediately see the end result of giving males access to female only rights and resources, such as rapists in women's prisons. Even now, dh says that at the time he just didn't think it would go that far. But I did think that it would, because it's my job to see round corners. Because I'm a mum.

So you could appeal to their sense of shame as well, as it is hateful for them to label you as bigoted and it is abusive for them to label you as unhinged. But it's them I'm afraid op, it's not you. And you are certainly not going mad.

OP, tell them to do some washing up. Acts of service are definitely where my discipline focus would be if my teenagers were being rude arseholes.

Hang on is BluebirdsSong actually one of the OP's teenagers?

Like the idea the the UK carries no burden of historical slavery, or that the civil rights movements were about "winning hearts and minds" first and faced no pushback, minorities just politely asked the dominant group for rights, and the dominant groups graciously granted them.

So ridiculously, laughably ignorant of actual history.

twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1418351767184543749

@Iootraw1 - if it's any consolation , it was my DCs who told me all about the wonders of Intersectionalism a few years ago. They are now GC , without any input from me even. Maybe that's how it has to be?

Someone might want to tell Christa Peterson that her pal Katy Montgomerie was advised by her lawyer to delete similar libellous tweets. Or not. Bring on the lawsuit

GoodieMoomin that is very helpful. I have bookmarked the BBC 'What We Do in the Shadows' clip.

Helen Joyce's mention of Jewish billionaires maliciously funding the "trans agenda" can be traced back through Jennifer Bilek to Keith Woods, the last of which is a Nazi.

last of whom

Did he adapt to being a house dog instead of a guard dog OK?

He did. Despite having lived outdoors for the majority of his life he very happily lived indoors with children. Such a lovely gentle dog. I think he loved being in a household with people. The only time I remember him reacting is when my mum took him for a walk and a man ran up behind her in the dark. The dog jumped up and held the man's arm. I guess that's how he'd been trained. Left no marks or injury. He just perceived that man as a threat to my mum.

Or much else I wager.

I see the "arguments" from this "new" poster are as good as they ever get.

Woof

@R0wantrees Coddling is an excellent book, and very helpful. Haidt's other book The Righteous Mind is also well worth reading, it gave me some real insight into how and why some 'activists' behave so badly all the while firm in the belief that they have the moral high ground.

@Iootraw1 lots of good advice here, I hope you manage to find a way forward with your family.

I find this helpful when dealing with trolling and derailing

Robins book? Lol. No ta. I'd rather spend my money on gardening.

How many "TRA" written books have you read?

Is this a not-so-subtle plug for Robin's new book?

My mum used to have a German shepherd. Lovely dog. Used to be an ex guard dog. He was going to be put to sleep when the place he was 'employed' closed. So she took the dog home and kept him. Because that's the kind of nazi my mum is.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@Helleofabore
"And yet it is considered ‘transphobic’ to discuss, or even acknowledge, the negative impacts of that group’s rights on women’s and children’s rights."

Literally every form of bigotry has been justified as "protecting women and children". This was done to defend segregation and promote homophobia as well. Nazi slogans literally speak of "securing a future for white children".

So yes, bigotry in the name of "protecting women and children" is still bigotry, and still unacceptable.[/quote]
Child Protection and Safeguarding frameworks protect children and in some circumstances women where males present risk of harm.

When people refer to 'protecting women and children' in the majority of cases that is what they and the State are doing.

All adults have a responsibility to protect all children and Vulnerable Adults.

Totalitarian regimes used slogans that claimed protection for some children. It is a feature of such regimes/movements to use propaganda in order to coerce support.

It's abundantly clear that you haven't read Joyce's book .

I've googled it. It was German Shepherds. Lovely dogs. My Uncle used to keep them.

I would say agreeing on the "malicious Jewish subversion" thing is on a slightly different level of ideological similarity than liking a certain dog breed.

Or was it German Shepherds that Hitler had, not labradors? Anyway, I like them too.