I think I’m going mad….

It is also homophobic to suggest that gay men and lesbians should feel obliged to have intimate relationships with people of the opposite sex, whom they are not sexually attracted to, so that said people feel validated in their chosen identity. Unfortunately, this is what some TRAs are supporting (google the cotton ceiling or the boxer ceiling).

It is deeply misogynistic to suggest that the rights of female prisoners to safety, privacy and dignity should come second to the preferences of convicted male sex offenders who identify as transwomen.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@Jorris
"Well, it's not great behaviour on your part for sure, but sadly trans ideology is deeply misogynistic and homophobic. So yep. That's what you support."

How is it "misogynistic and homophobic" for trans people to live their lives the way they want, and being treated equally while they do?[/quote]
Nobody gets to live their life exactly the way they want, if by doing so this infringes on the rights of others.
For example, the desire of male prisoners convicted of rape to be housed with female prisoners, infringes the rights of said female prisoners to be safe and not to be subjected to rape and sexual assault. There is at least one case where we know this very scenario has happened (Karen White). You are suggesting there is no conflict in this scenario?

Or welding. I can give a quick lesson on how to do a bit of spot welding, if that helps. Not sure about institutional power, though, where do I pick up my share of that, please? Is it like GCSEs?

This thread seems to be getting a bit out of hand. I got bored with the attempts at derailing it from parental advice back on page 5, & jumped to page 11 where I find it's onto JKR. -eye roll-

I just want to add to those who are focussing on the real problem, which is stroppy teenagers. I've seen two families go through this, years ago. It matters not a jot what the excuse is to act like your parents are know-nothing pains in the arse, the behaviour is the same. In one case I knew, it was mild but noticeable, so fairly liveable with until the kid grew out of it; in the other it was so awful that it was deeply embarrassing to everybody in the room as the young teenage boy took out his frustrations by deriding his parents at every opportunity, in front of guests. I felt so sorry for his parents (he picked on both of them constantly) as it seemed a miserable way to live.

As I said, the important thing to note is that this was all long enough ago that trans rights arguments weren't even a twinkle in anybody's eye, so the problem isn't trans anything (certainly not JKR), it's teenagers.

How is it "misogynistic and homophobic" for trans people to live their lives the way they want, and being treated equally while they do?

I think the homophobic has been very well covered on the other thread. Of course, you may simply just choose to ignore any of lesbians who have been trying to explain to you how it harms them to have their language changed and their spaces accessed by males.

The ignoring of their views .... well that could be a great example of misogyny really couldn't it.

If you really want to discuss the misogynistic views, let us know. We can start with sports as it is very topical, safeguarding has been raised.

How a recently transitioned male can think that they are serving female's well by taking a women's officer role to influence policy to ensure that female's needs are well considered in those policies.... that is another good starting point.

Shall we have some actual discussion. And can you support your points with evidence. Or just more emotive speak seeking to manipulate rather than actually persuade.

They've just taken parts of her essay and put 'incorrectly' in front of them! There's no attempt to analyse anything or consider how eroding single sex spaces will impact on women. I'd actually have more respect for that tripe if they actually engaged with the points she raised and addressed them.

And yes, the Robert Galbraith thing has been extensively de-bunked. Almost as if they have to cling on to something...

No, but you endorse wealthy, privileged individuals like JKR using their wealth and power to silence their critics:
who exactly is doing the silencing? I think we know.
And just endlessly repeating that everyone is transphobic, does not an effective argument make.

it takes a particular kind of person to come onto a thread where an OP has asked for support with an issue that is troubling her to the point that she’s doubting her own sanity, and tell her that she’s brought it on herself and deserves it for being just like Hitler, and then proceed to throw round the accusations that everyone who supports her in requiring her teens to be respectful is just like Hitler, too, and they don’t deserve the protection of the laws of the land in the same way as everyone else.

It’s not a nuanced take, is it? Fails on all three branches of “is it true, is it helpful, is it kind?”.

Slow clap.

Fistbump of support to you, OP. It sounds so tough for you right now.

Ah, so JKRs 'transphobia' according to that list is correctly noting that sex exists and matters, and a few outright lies that were completely made up about her pen name.

Here's JKR's essay. Please tell us specifically where she states 'anti trans' statements - www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Because she doesn't.

Here's a list of J.K. Rowling's transphobic statements: www.glaad.org/gap/jk-rowling

Prevent people from lying outrageously because they hate someone now becomes browbeating people into deleting tweets critical/openly lies of their bigotry/legally protected beliefs that have never been proven or even adequately argued successfully as being hateful.

Anyway, please keep posting the live demonstration of examples of tactic used to silence women discussing the conflicts in their rights. There have been rather a few that show the misogyny of those tactics. And shows very clearly the hypocrisy.

I am sure that you are aware that there are many, many readers who read these threads and make up their own minds. The lack of any evidence, the tired old trope that is used for arguments, the over reliance on emotional manipulation, distraction, dismissal, projection and finger pointing is a great way to show the superficiality of those arguments.

Keep doing the good work.

Considering that the OP's kids are acting to shut down her ability to express her views, someone here has picked up that baton and is really running with it.

Unless the OP has just been busy, it's not surprising they're not participating in their own thread.

That was meant to be a - but maybe it's more apt

It is not misogynistic and homophobic for transpeople to want to get on with their lives.

I find it unusual that some transpeople consider showing semi erect penises in the faces of little girls “getting on with their lives”. Could they find a way of living their lives that didn’t involve exposing their penises? Especially to little girls?

I find it odd that transpeople who have used their penis to rape women should be allowed in female prisons. Could they serve their sentence for sexual assault in dignity and safety somewhere else?

And I find the suggestions that a transwoman raped their 80-year old mother due to lesbians not giving them sex a strange argument. Does living their lives include being owed sex (with their penises) by a group of people who doesn’t like penises?

I could, but we both know you happen go agree with her transphobic rhetoric, so what's the point?

Same old same old. There's never an answer.

I could, but we both know you happen go agree with her transphobic rhetoric, so what's the point?

Ah, no debate's successor - no evidence!

It is true that J.K. Rowling had engaged in anti-trans rhetoric, and that Helen Joyce is laundering in antisemitic tropes.

The accusations that were taken off Twitter were much more specific than this but I'm not in the habit of repeating libel.

Wish trans people had the power of wealthy British white women that can literally silence any criticism by wielding institutional power against their critics.

I mean, this has to be a joke right? Let's think of some examples of who is actually being silenced -

• The GC Critical subreddit being deleted despite many incel and horrific women hating groups still being hosted because of 'freedom of speech'
• Women being arrested for posting photos of ribbon tied up on a fence
• Women being doxxed and 'transphobic' social media posts being sent to their employers in an attempt to get them fired.
• Academics being silenced and 'no platformed' due to their views, even if the event they were due to speak at had nothing to do with that.
• Major institutions being Stonewalled and curbing people's voices, even after independent analysis (University of Essex for example) concluding that it is unlawful
• Major institutions just ignoring public consultation (Scottish Government has just done a second consultation on the GRA because they didn't get the responses they wanted the first time).
• The BBC, that supposed bastion of impartiality, threating police action against those with the 'wrong' opinion.

There are many many more examples but in particular for this OP, the chilling effect that means that you can even hold an unvocalised opinion in your own home without being told to 're-educate' yourself.

Remind me, has JKR actually sued anyone? At all? Or has she put politely worded statements that people might want to re-consider posting vile statements such as she's a danger to children?

@Jorris
"Well, it's not great behaviour on your part for sure, but sadly trans ideology is deeply misogynistic and homophobic. So yep. That's what you support."

How is it "misogynistic and homophobic" for trans people to live their lives the way they want, and being treated equally while they do?

Or should I just tell them to make their mother a cup of tea and empty the bins?

Tbh if that was my kid I'd tell them to get a job, move out and look after themselves.