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Edinburgh Harry Potter Tour

116 replies

Cukku · 07/08/2021 19:21

Ah terrific, they've denounced JK Rowling (to whom they owe their existence) and are donating part of their takings to Scottish Trans Alliance:
"Many of you may be aware of JK Rowling's recent tweets concerning transgender issues. We have been very saddened and dismayed by these and do not condone the views she expressed in any way.
It’s a difficult time to be a Harry Potter fan for many but we sincerely wish JK Rowling’s views not to diminish our appreciation of the books and their messages of inclusion and tolerance."

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KimikosNightmare · 08/08/2021 19:17

Their response on TripAdvisor is defamatory.

KimikosNightmare · 08/08/2021 18:56

I don't actually like the Harry Potter books. I read the first one to my son and it didn't grab either of us.

I wasn't however aware of there being any particular connection with Edinburgh other than JK Rowling lived in Edinburgh when she wrote them. They're not remotely like Sandy McCall- Smith's Scotland Street or Elspeth Dalhousie series.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 08/08/2021 18:55

@NotImpossible

I clicked on the TripAdvisor link and saw a 'review' left by someone in response to this. The reply from the manager was, well, I was going to say shocking but it's not really, is it?
No its not

Disgusting yes, surprising no

midgemagneto · 08/08/2021 18:54

I think we need a translation table
Heres a start

Woman == a feeling men can have
Marginalised == privileged
Hate = love and peace
Crime = writing on Twitter

Anotheruser02 · 08/08/2021 18:52

the author has proved herself to be so full of hate for a marginalised community

A marginalised community? Shock That's the biggest fucking laugh.
Everyone has to accommodate these people, women have to move over and ignore their own fears and discomfort, gay people have to stop being gay, everyone has to pretend they can't tell the difference between male and female, we have to pretend that we haven't learned through decades of experience that opportunistic sex offenders will always identify into lower risk groups so they can operate in plain sight and our police service has had to become an absolute joke policing people's thoughts and twitter comments instead of tackling crimes.
Yeah I can see how they're struggling so much.

KimikosNightmare · 08/08/2021 18:51

I live in Edinburgh- I have no idea which street has been appropriated by them as "the real Diagon Alley"

I'd never even seen the idea broached before.

EightiesRobot · 08/08/2021 18:48

Attacks a woman for her non-existent 'hate for a marginalised community' but looking at their Twitter timeline they have continuously exploited JKR's name over the past year to promote their product which exists by leaching off her work. It's pretty bloody clear that the hate is all one way from The Potter Trail. It's time they were sued for copyright infringement. This isn't a group of fans making transformative works for fun. They are making money off her while abusing her.

merrymouse · 08/08/2021 18:43

The pro JKR ‘review’
doesn’t even mention trans issues - unless I have missed something?

And I still don’t understand how it’s possible to separate the tour from JKR, given that the only thing that links HP to Edinburgh is JKR.

NotImpossible · 08/08/2021 18:38

Aaargh - screenshots in reverse order, obvs!

NotImpossible · 08/08/2021 18:37

Here. The review is obviously not a real review but the response...

Edinburgh Harry Potter Tour
Edinburgh Harry Potter Tour
Edinburgh Harry Potter Tour
NotImpossible · 08/08/2021 18:33

I clicked on the TripAdvisor link and saw a 'review' left by someone in response to this. The reply from the manager was, well, I was going to say shocking but it's not really, is it?

Gingerkittykat · 08/08/2021 18:26

Just adding that I loved a wokebro I know trying to do some mental gymnastics to justify buying the Harry Potter books.

"Well, of course, I find her deeply problematic but it's what the kids' friends read and I want them to love reading"

Either stand by your principles and boycott the Potter franchise or shut up.

Gingerkittykat · 08/08/2021 18:23

It might be worth telling them what you think of their stance on Twitter.

twitter.com/pottertrail

Lessthanaballpark · 08/08/2021 16:59

JKR is not anti trans.

She is anti- men calling themselves women.

I’d go one further and say that she’s not even anti men calling themselves women. She is simply anti the erosion of women’s rights and the erasure of women’s language.

ArtemesiaK · 08/08/2021 16:54

Child: Mummy, what did J K Rowling do to make her a bad person?
Mummy: I don't know, sweetie, ask Viviennemary, she has all the answers......

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 08/08/2021 16:46

@Viviennemary

Good. Sick to death of Rowlings anti trans stand. It should be made a hate crime.
JKR is not anti trans.

She is anti- men calling themselves women.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/08/2021 16:42

@Viviennemary

Good. Sick to death of Rowlings anti trans stand. It should be made a hate crime.
I'm sure you've said this before, and that when asked why you thought that, you said other people had told you she was transphobic

I'm also sure that you have, in the past, expressed views that weren't dissimilar to Rowling's and that would also get you accused of 'hate crime'.

So your comment here is both a repetitive post and a post that cuts off your nose to spite your face.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 08/08/2021 16:18

Care not are.
Quislings not quizzing.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 08/08/2021 16:12

I saw that when we were in Edinburgh last week and we did a tour with someone else. I was going to email them to tell them why they didn't get my business once we're home. Doubt they'd are, spineless little quizzing.

ScreamingMeMe · 08/08/2021 16:08

Leaving gum under tables should also be made a hate crime IMO

So should doing a big plop and running away.

AleynEivlys · 08/08/2021 15:28

Nothing to add that hasn't been said already. Just wanted to say I could not love JK Rowling any more than I have done since this all blew up.

Met her when I was about 10, she signed my books with lovely personalised messages, and was gracious, pleasant and wonderful. I NEED my girls to grow up just a bit more so we can read HP together and talk about how there is at least one public figure left who cares about the world being a better place for them. For all women and girls.

I hope she knows how appreciated she still is.

midgemagneto · 08/08/2021 15:26

I know what makes her unpleasant to some people

She is successful , middle aged, female , generous, intelligent, interesting

And if you want more, but anything beyond "female " is surely unnecessary, she disagreed with someone and she said things that made them uncomfortable

WorriedWishingWell · 08/08/2021 15:22

@Cheshirewife

Sometimes unpleasant people come up with great works.

Spacey is another example. You might not like the person or share their views but you can still enjoy their work.

Can you explain what JKR has done that makes her "unpleasant"?
Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 15:17

@Viviennemary

Good. Sick to death of Rowlings anti trans stand. It should be made a hate crime.
Do you believe in any religion? Are you a flat earther, anti-vax?

The thing is that we are not compelled by law to follow made up stuff not based on scientific fact.

No matter how much you wish it.

It isnt transphobic to accept reality and reject dogma.

MoreRainThanAnyYet · 08/08/2021 15:12

Spacey's views are that it's ok to sexually harass people. Rowling's view is that biological sex exists. Are you saying they are similar?

Rowling's view is also that she was harassed because of her biological sex. And that's probably true.

Why on earth trans rights activists think they will benefit from being conflated with the opposite sex is the real mystery. Transwomen get hassled for different reasons from women, on the whole. And women and transmen have a whole range of needs that men and transwomen don't.