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Deleted/censorship on mumsnet now!

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HermioneKipper · 06/08/2021 10:34

My thread asking about transwomen/transitioning/penises has been deleted.

Why are we not allowed to discuss this? It’s a genuine question and extremely relevant to the debate about transwomen entering female spaces.

There was no abuse of trans people that I could see aside from a few people attempting to derail by saying that they couldn’t see why women might be concerned about having to share their space!

This isn’t right

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2021 21:17

Agree. TRAs and their supporters can call me all the names they like, can accuse me of whatever - right-wing, transphobic, in the pay of the Christian Right - their accusations are baseless and I couldn't, and never did, give a flying fuck.

Same for me. I don't really care what they think about anything, because I don't set much store by the opinions of people I consider credulous or self-interested. Or other things which I won't go into.

CardinalLolzy · 06/08/2021 21:17

@FloralBunting

Mumsnet are in an awkward position. I have sympathy for that. A lot of us do. But this is the first thread I have seen where a moderator has had a pleasant, open conversation with the women who provide the content for the site, and given the amount of time this has been going on, the fact this stands out is half the problem.

It's refreshing to see some proper response to criticism. If it happened more often, MNHQ may have the support of more of us. As it is, I suspect lots of women find the arbitrary guideline application extremely hard to navigate.

Agreed Floral and I think it helps nips a lot of speculation in the bud if MN mods can come and point out what the problem actually is.

I read the first half of the original thread, and it was informative, not goady and had a TW give a brief account of their view.

Playing devil's advocate, it had people trying to suggest reasons for TW's choices, sometimes evidenced but I guess sometimes not? I don't know. The solution to having to 'guess' would obviously be for TRAs/TW to come and discuss openly and actually answer questions - believe it or not I do want to understand thought processes, motivations, views, as I've said numerously on here. I still struggle with understanding what physical bodies (which have a sex) have to do with innate gender identity (which apparently aren't linked to sex, or at least not in all cases?) but I'm resigned to remaining confused.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 06/08/2021 21:16

@YetAnotherSpartacus

The sad thing about the Spartacus threads is when I read the names of posters who I got to know and know have been banned from MN for wrongthink even though these were women who were here because they needed support, or who gave support to others over or about issues experienced by women as a social group. They were rarely if ever actually offensive - they just thought and said the wrong thing according to a demographic that is not even core to MN but who monitor and patrol us inciting others to censor our speech. .
Thank you for reposting the link to the Spartacus threads. They were before I roamed mountains and naughty steps here (I’ve been on for years for special needs and the odd AIBU entertainment, but I naively thought women’s rights were sorted and feminism a little quaintly old-fashioned…).

Poignant reading. Thank you, all you brave Spartaci, for standing with women and girls Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2021 21:14

I'd imagine people who feel strongly on the other side of this debate are quite happy to see the controversial posts stay up and screenshot them as they see fit.

I think this isn't borne out by the number of perfectly innocuous posts which are sometimes deleted.

Waitwhat23 · 06/08/2021 21:10

@BanditoShipman the second one. Mountaineers might use it. The word which must not be named on here....

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 06/08/2021 20:52

Welcome to the upsidedown Chickenyhead Wink.

Blibbyblobby · 06/08/2021 20:39

Yep...same double standard as the one that says it's OK for TW to redefine womanhood based on their experience of gender identity but not OK for natal females to define it based on ours.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/08/2021 20:38

The mods have been strangely silent thus far. I’m suspicious.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 06/08/2021 20:27

@Chickenyhead

What I don't understand, is how there are people on this thread vilifying posters for surmised the reasons a transwoman may keep their tackle, because women don't know how it feels to be trans.

However, it's OK than men know how it feels to be a woman in identifying themselves to be trans.

So one side can subsume the feelings of the other, without actual knowledge, but the other side must be silent.

Is this not the biggest double standard?

Nail on head.
Artichokeleaves · 06/08/2021 20:24

@Mummyoflittledragon

Yeh you’ll probably get a strike for that. I did when I didn’t realise it wasn’t ok.
Report it yourself, explain that you were unaware of this and ask mods to remove the post. You can then repost without the sin included.
BanditoShipman · 06/08/2021 20:18

Pass or peaked??

JaneJeffer · 06/08/2021 20:18

@Ninkanink

Just a heads up. The ‘p’ word is not approved of.
WTF?
Mummyoflittledragon · 06/08/2021 20:13

Yeh you’ll probably get a strike for that. I did when I didn’t realise it wasn’t ok.

Chickenyhead · 06/08/2021 20:09

4th word, got it.

Ninkanink · 06/08/2021 20:07

It is to a mountain what the tip is to a needle...

(Or something)

Chickenyhead · 06/08/2021 20:06

P?

Aaarrrggghhh

I give up

Ninkanink · 06/08/2021 20:05

Just a heads up. The ‘p’ word is not approved of.

Chickenyhead · 06/08/2021 20:03

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FluffyBattleKitten · 06/08/2021 19:52

Also have no idea of what it feels like to feel genuinely vulnerable if they think women not challenging them means they 'pass' when in reality women are very well practiced at mitigating male violence.

We're smart enough to know that popping the illusion/entitlement bubble can only have bad consequences for us.

The better measure of who 'passes' would be how quickly women scurry out of there-but in a walk, don't run kind of way.

RedDogsBeg · 06/08/2021 19:43

@FloralBunting

WRT males entering female spaces and being able to 'pass' - attempting to do something by stealth when women have said no is not the fucking moral high ground you seem to think it is.
Never ceases to amaze me that they do think it is.
Ninkanink · 06/08/2021 19:42

Quite.

I do not need instruction on what I want or don’t want. I do not need educating on where my boundaries ought to be.

I know what I want and do not want. I know exactly where the line is.

Artichokeleaves · 06/08/2021 19:31

If people are truly interested in this topic then they should consider talking to trans people directly rather than shouting into an echo chamber where the majority of people are not trans, and trans views were not represented

Yet again the belief that women cannot possibly have opinions or feelings of their own and must be told.

Most women here have spoken extensively to trans people, have trans friends. The missed point is that what is discussed here is about women and womens rights and how they are being impacted. Possibly those concerned that women talking about their rights is an echo chamber in need of intervention and instruction by trans people should consider talking to women and listening to a place where women's views are represented.

Because trans views are absolutely everywhere, trans lobbies are consulted in everything and womens voices are not . Women's voices are only allowed in this one place .

So with all respect, fuck off with your belief that women's voices should be replaced by natal male voices and that women should have views only after natal males have told them what they are. Your sexism is jawdropping.

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/08/2021 19:19

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

Funnily enough I just came back to the thread to say thank you to NecessaryScene Flowers because her post allowed me to work the way back machine for the very first time (I also hadn't understood that archive is the same thing as the wbm!!) so I can help you out *@Mummyoflittledragon* Grin

Go to the deleted thread & copy the ulr
Then go to archive.org/
Paste the deleted thread ulr into the search box on archive.org
It says saved one time - click on the date

Thank you to both of you. Got it. Grin. My computer literacy skills are now that of a 5 yo…..
Jorrris · 06/08/2021 19:16

yet so many seem to still manage to find themselves here

Funny that innit. Did they get lost or can they simply not keep away 🤔

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 06/08/2021 19:03

Funnily enough I just came back to the thread to say thank you to NecessaryScene Flowers because her post allowed me to work the way back machine for the very first time (I also hadn't understood that archive is the same thing as the wbm!!) so I can help you out @Mummyoflittledragon Grin

Go to the deleted thread & copy the ulr
Then go to archive.org/
Paste the deleted thread ulr into the search box on archive.org
It says saved one time - click on the date

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