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Would anyone care to reply to Laurie Penny?

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SpannerInTheWorks · 06/08/2021 07:24

She's posted on Twitter

"I’m fascinated to know what sort of world ‘gender critical’ feminists would like to live in, ideally. What would gender identity look like? What would be acceptable ways for, say, someone assigned male at birth who did not want to be a man?"

twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1423445676810141702

I have a long and articulate response in my head but I'm not out as GC on Twitter and am not ready to be.

Perhaps some of the MN feminists could help her with her fascination?

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MarianneUnfaithful · 06/08/2021 10:27

A world where no one is discriminated against or faces prejudice due to their sex, sexuality or gender.

Where anyone can present and love socially however they want.

Where we are not afraid to either live as we feel, or state facts. Where to support freedom of gender expression we are not required to deny sex as a fact or a source of identity.

Where cancel couture is cancelled, where we are not afraid of opinions and experiences that are nuanced or different from our own. Where complexity and duality is seen as a richness and resource not a threat.

But I do not engage in this on Twitter: is is an anti-social medium.

Floisme · 06/08/2021 10:13

So I won't add to Penny's self aggrandizing Twitter stunt but, for FWR followers: I would like to live in a world where men had sorted out their shit, because then none of this would matter any more.

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SpannerInTheWorks · 06/08/2021 10:12

@GNCQ

Some interesting replies on that thread!

It's sad to see the person doubling down though. Not getting it. Doing a fair bit of DARVO.

From what I've seen of her, she's a bit of a dick on a number of issues, not just this one. But I'm hoping the replies might help some of her followers to understand GC more clearly.

I loved this simple reply:

In the gender critical world, being a man only means having the body type that denotes the production of small gametes.

It doesn't mean anything else.

What would "not want to be a man" mean, if "man" only means that you have the body type that denotes small gamete production?

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Floisme · 06/08/2021 10:09

guinnessguzzler is correct - I don't believe Penny is in the least bit fascinated. She has picked her team and that's it. I doubt she'll even read the responses.

But I think she also has a book coming out so expect more of the same.

GNCQ · 06/08/2021 09:51

Some interesting replies on that thread!

It's sad to see the person doubling down though. Not getting it. Doing a fair bit of DARVO.

cariadlet · 06/08/2021 09:11

Thanks for posting the link op. There are some really brilliant replies on there. I'm going to try to remember some of them next time I talk about the issues in RL.

guinnessguzzler · 06/08/2021 08:35

Well done @Tuscancat and spot on. I am feeling grumpy today so good to see someone else keeping it positive and productive!

Tuscancat · 06/08/2021 08:31

I'd like to see three things. Gender identity gone, so anyone can wear a dress, make up, fix a car etc. Robust safeguarding on the basis of sex. Well funded mental health services to help people like this. They may not want to be a man, but they are and no amount of surgery or hormones will change that.

guinnessguzzler · 06/08/2021 08:28

She's not fascinated though, is she? I hate that. Stop using bullshit words you don't mean. She is just trying to stir things up in a bid to get attention for herself. Best thing we can do for people like that is ignore them until they get so desperate for attention they go and seek the therapy they need.

CallMeNutribullet · 06/08/2021 07:42

I'm still laughing about her punting her last book about "anti-capitalism" on Amazon.