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‘I lost my candidacy because I’m trans’: Green Party member Kathryn Bristow -

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ScreamingMeMe · 05/08/2021 20:37

Hoooo boy

‘I lost my candidacy because I’m trans’: English Green Party member Kathryn Bristow

‘I’ve been deemed a risk to the party’s reputation for being transgender,’ Bristow tells openDemocracy in an exclusive interview

www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/trans-uk-green-party-kathryn-bristow/

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ScreamingMeMe · 05/08/2021 23:12

@NiceGerbil

Tweet-

'To all trans people, put what you know is right for you on the census, the guidance is not legally binding anyway.

I'm putting female, even though I don't have a GRC.

This judgement will just make the data less consistent, so the only loss today is for statistics nerds like me.'

Shock Openly encouraging others to do the same and giving bad advice when in a position of responsibility within a political party surely makes it even worse.
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JustcameoutGC · 05/08/2021 23:07

The amazing cloak of trans invincibility once again allows marginal person to assume position of power. Its like we are all being trained to ignore all of our senses, eyes, ears, brains, spidey senses and just believe what ever bollocks anyone ever tells us. What could possibly go wrong.

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2021 23:06

@QueenPeary

Even so, there are few organisations as keen to embrace this ideology as as the Greens. The idea of the Greens edging someone out for being trans is ludicrous. Doesn't KB think they'd have noticed KB's transness a while back?
As we've seen many times, there is no way to stay on the right side of this ideology. Absolute and total capitulation will work for a bit but the drama seeking and relentless boundary pushing won't stop until someone actually stands up and says no.
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 05/08/2021 23:02

good

perhaps the green party can now get back to doing what the vast majority of its members want it to do rather than fucking about with gender woo

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:53

One reply from that thread, back in march-

'Kat, you are bringing Green Party into disrepute. Green Party should be really concerned.'

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:51

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Yep, it makes no difference. As long as you make what you believe is a true statement, you can put what you like on the census. I am female so that's what I'm putting.

The only problem is for Non-Binary people, but that was always going to be a issue with this census.'

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:50

Tweet-

'To all trans people, put what you know is right for you on the census, the guidance is not legally binding anyway.

I'm putting female, even though I don't have a GRC.

This judgement will just make the data less consistent, so the only loss today is for statistics nerds like me.'

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:49

We don't know what they actually put. I'm sure female but don't know.

Surely the issue was saying they were going to do this on SM and so were.

Saying they were going to break the law
No qualms about doing so
And subtext to followers etc of this is an option. Anyone can do it. I think it's the right thing to do to make a point about my trans identity.

TartanBonnet · 05/08/2021 22:46

@FloralBunting

Politicians who admit to breaking the law face consequences.

I know! I'm as surprised as anyone!

This made me laugh more than it should!

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 05/08/2021 22:43

the issue is giving false information on the census.

As others remark, perhaps it genuinely hasn't crossed KB's mind that that is reputational harm such as would bring an individual or party into disrepute.

I know people are accustomed to male politicians or various magical and sacred castes being exempt from such considerations but those are for people already within the magical circle of protection. KB is not there as yet but I'm sure that moment will come.

Surely the LibDems will be the next port of call.

transdimensional · 05/08/2021 22:39

When people demand the use of particularly unusual pronouns, such as "fae", it becomes somehow more akin to a nickname than a true pronoun.

It's interesting, but probably coincidence, that in the OpenDemocracy article someone called "jane fae" is mentioned, who presumably requires people to write her name in lower case. That could cause confusion, as in an article about both these people, "fae" could either be a mention of "jane" by her surname or a mention of Kathryn by her preferred pronoun!

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:34

So many orgs that are fully on board have been denounced as transphobic.

Greens
Guardian
Have no doubt there are more.

Aren't they shooting themselves in the foot with things like this?

QueenPeary · 05/08/2021 22:31

Even so, there are few organisations as keen to embrace this ideology as as the Greens. The idea of the Greens edging someone out for being trans is ludicrous. Doesn't KB think they'd have noticed KB's transness a while back?

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:31

They should never have lost their focus on the environment. And the policies about poverty etc.

Gender stuff has got huge numbers of people in all sorts of orgs running in circles. While they really do have better things to do.

littlbrowndog · 05/08/2021 22:29

What’s wrong with Green Party. I would off voted for them if they just concentrate Ed on green stuff

But they just seem to, be gender politics.

What’s the point of Green Party ?

54321nought · 05/08/2021 22:28

@TalkingOutYerArse

"Kathryn is an immediate and ongoing danger to the reputation of the Green Party,” wrote Hazel Pegg in the 13 March complaint.

Grin

Thats a bit of an understatement - Kathryn has single handedly demolished the reputation of the Green Party. Of course they are also at fault for allowing her to stand for a woman's role in the first place
QueenPeary · 05/08/2021 22:27

I agree about tribes, but with trans ideology it's gone further in that it's been successfully pushed as a wonderful positive thing that must be approved and adopted by institutions and the public. Trans people must be praised and admired and are terribly brave because of the terrible persecution they endure. No nastiness by them counts, they can issue death and rape threats and everyone pretends not to notice, you just have to say you're trans and you're automatically in the right and must be tiptoed around.

Of course there's pushback but I think this weird culture of unassailability and being the ultimate in cool and "in" is what makes it appeal to so many people including of course so many young and insecure or unhappy people.

Whereas your old-fashioned "tribe" was usually inherently a counter-culture or niche thing.

54321nought · 05/08/2021 22:26

“It’s because I’m trans,” she says, about why she lost her nomination. “It’s clear that I’ve been deemed a risk to the party’s reputation for being transgender.”

No sweetheart, its because you are a misogynistic, power hungry, narcissistic bully who puts your personal anti-woman vendetta over and above democracy, free speech, the Green Party and the planet.

How many people have left the Green Party because of your behaviour? If you cared anything AT ALL about the planet you would resign.

mollythemeerkat · 05/08/2021 22:22

Lets hope this doesnt tie the Green Party up in knots for the foreseeable. The whole trans thing has been a complete sink for them for some time now, and it isnt as if the climate emergency didnt need some of their attention. They will be twitchy after Challenor, so this may mean they dont walk straight back into a burning building this time but who knows.

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 22:21

That fae thing and the 'gender euphoria' seems to be about fitting in/ finding a thing that resonates with you and others are like you.

I remember the first time I heard a pixies song I felt euphoric, I suppose. A feeling of omg yes this is it. This is just incredible. And there's a whole group of people who like this sort of music. I've found my people!

S lot of this is about tribes isn't it. We had our own dress style, group name/s, clubs, pubs etc. For many young people I think that's all it is.

The kids who have various gender IDs are often the same sort who were into alternative music scenes.

reallyisthisallthereis · 05/08/2021 22:18

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Chinny reckon
Love this. Haven't heard that phrase in years
TalkingOutYerArse · 05/08/2021 22:12

Tragic day ladies. Tragic I tell you!

TalkingOutYerArse · 05/08/2021 22:12

"Kathryn is an immediate and ongoing danger to the reputation of the Green Party,” wrote Hazel Pegg in the 13 March complaint.

Grin
GCAcademic · 05/08/2021 22:12

There seems to be a belief amongst some particularly vocal trans women that any bullying, narcissistic and even illegal behaviour will be ignored and even indulged because they are trans. Often, of course, they are right. But not always.

TedImgoingmad · 05/08/2021 22:12

Here's some self absorbed bollocks on being "genderfae"

realkaristina.medium.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fae-as-a-gender-205e2f4294c6