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Trans prisoners in Ireland: update

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SuperSleepyBaby · 04/08/2021 23:29

Update here
www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/prison-officers-must-train-up-in-lgbt-awareness-and-terminology/

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GingerAndTheBiscuits · 05/08/2021 00:52

Nobody should be locked up for 23 hours a day. Surely it highlights how completely inappropriate it is to have male bodies in the female estate, if the only solution is to keep them totally restricted for the safety of others (/themselves?). Presumably on a male wing they would be entitled to more freedom, or in a third space.

Incidentally I just read in an article that the women’s wing of the prison is the oldest and most run down. That was from 2014 - anyone know if it has changed since?

FloralBunting · 05/08/2021 00:48

@aliasundercover

Sorry for the slight derail, but I'm getting sick of reading that this is an LGBT+ issue.

IT'S NOT! It's not an LGB issue it's a T issue. It might be a + issue as I have no idea what + is, but it's nothing to do with LGB.

So much this.

QT+s are pushing this. None of that bullshit has anything to do with lesbian, gay or bi sexuality.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/08/2021 00:33

The male prison officer can simply be gender fluid yes?

If the prisoner can choose the 'gender' of the officer, that has nothing to do with sex doess it. Because if it IS about sex then a male police officer is appropriate.

And a male prisoner identifying as a woman should be absolutely fine with a male police officer who identifies as a woman. Because how could this possibly be triggering if they are both women? Not about sex is it?

aliasundercover · 05/08/2021 00:14

Sorry for the slight derail, but I'm getting sick of reading that this is an LGBT+ issue.

IT'S NOT! It's not an LGB issue it's a T issue. It might be a + issue as I have no idea what + is, but it's nothing to do with LGB.

Cailleach1 · 04/08/2021 23:59

Did the inspectorate visit women and gather their testimonies, I wonder? Or the female officers who they seem to wish to be forced to inspect male sexual organs (and withdraw any safety measures for those officers)?

It does say that prisoners shouldn't be put at risk of violence, ill-treatment or physical, mental or sexual abuse. I presume that women prisoners are still classed as human and would have those same rights. I would have thought trapping women in confined spaces with a convicted violent or sexual abusive male would be in danger of violating those fine sentiments. Or is women's role as support animals more important to the Inspectorate?

334bu · 04/08/2021 23:50

International best practice indicates that transgender prisoners should be given a choice regarding the gender of the person conducting a search, but the inmates raised concerns that when searches were being conducted a male officer was present as well as a female officer.

Obviously the safety of the female officer is irrelevant. Given the fact that the two transwomen prisoners in Limerick prison are probably the two transwomen convicted of appalling violent crimes against women, any female officer could be in considerable danger.

Cailleach1 · 04/08/2021 23:46

Well, as long as incarcerated women aren't endangered in any way. Or be used as validation or support humans without their explicit consent.

LMNybjy744 · 04/08/2021 23:44

Have people’s brains fallen out of their heads? How could any sane person write this?

LMNybjy744 · 04/08/2021 23:43

Fuck me that is chilling.I’m Irish and I fear for the direction the country is blindly hurtling towards.
If I read it correctly it sounds as though female officers have had a male office present when they are carrying out searches. Presumably for the safety of the female officer, as they are searching a male bodied individual. However that’s not validating enough for the TWs so that safety net will be removed. Sickening.