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#nothankyou

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notaclownfish · 03/08/2021 18:44

Perfect response.
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Lynnikins · 04/08/2021 10:43

The silence - and then Sarah Robles' response - tells you all you need to know about how the medal winners feel.

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morningtoncrescent62 · 04/08/2021 10:38

No insults, no name calling, no threats, and not so much as a hint of dismissal of anyone else. Just nine seconds of silence and a polite refusal to engage with someone determined to stir the pot because he could.

Absolutely this. Those young women showed such presence of mind not to get drawn in. The press conference should have been all about them and their magnificent achievements, not about a mediocre also-ran who came last. Even if they're coerced into equivocating later (and I think we can all understand the pressure they'll be under) nothing will erase the memory of their perfect responses. That's what Olympians look like.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 04/08/2021 10:25

Love it, absolutely perfect response.

And yes, all about validation for Hubbard. More concerned about being an Olympian in the women's category than actual performance. That's what women's sport is apparently - world stage validation to do a silly little heart and a head tilt taking the space of a serious sportswoman Angry

That and opening the door for the younger and fitter ones who will trounce women in years to come.

KittenKong · 04/08/2021 10:22

I love that!
(And ‘booby’ prize Grin)

TheWeeDonkey · 04/08/2021 10:21

@Mollyollydolly

Birdy's new artwork. My next tee shirt!
Beautiful
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/08/2021 10:16

Oh, my! That's a definite 'don't let the door hit you in the arse' result.

rabbitwoman · 04/08/2021 10:13

@Mollyollydolly

Birdy's new artwork. My next tee shirt!
Oooo, now my Facebook banner.

Looks like I am officially out out.

buckeejit · 04/08/2021 10:09

Brilliant stuff.

@Mollyollydolly -love this artwork!

PronounssheRa · 04/08/2021 10:06

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Yeah - I did know that - but I wondered if Hubbard got the actual coming last booby prize - as in was officially placed last!
Recorded as DNF.
#nothankyou
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/08/2021 09:53

It's wonderful!

Mollyollydolly · 04/08/2021 09:52

Birdy's new artwork. My next tee shirt!

#nothankyou
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/08/2021 09:49

Yeah - I did know that - but I wondered if Hubbard got the actual coming last booby prize - as in was officially placed last!

PronounssheRa · 04/08/2021 09:48

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Did Hubbard really come last?
Didn't even register a lift. So a woman lost her place for someone who didn't even place. It was all about validation.
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/08/2021 09:43

Did Hubbard really come last?

TatoAndBeans · 04/08/2021 09:40

@CharlieParley

I just keep thinking about the male entitlement behind the question.

Three brilliant female competitors give their all in a fight with an exceptional athlete achieving an Olympic Record and a tight competition for silver and bronze.

There's a male competitor who does not finish and so comes last.

There are two reasonable explanations, I don't know enough about weightlifting to understand which is the more likely:

  1. the male competitor has demonstrated terrible technique according to some observers who understand weightlifting. As in truly atrocious.

2.) Hubbard threw the competition on purpose according to other observers who understand weightlifting.

So, a competitor who failed to qualify for the final, who had terrible technique and who either simply wasn't good enough to compete or threw the competition.

And that male journalist is so fucking bored listening to female winners talk about females, he just has to ask a stupid question about that truly mediocre male competitor.

Because who cares about outstanding female athletes? Not that journalist. Especially since he must have known that the controversy makes an answer that doesn't land a a female athlete in trouble impossible. But he's asking anyway. Coz talking to female athletes about female achievements is too much.

What an arsehole.

But the women - pure class.

All of this. You’re at the pinnacle of your career, you’re essentially the strongest woman in the world… and you’re still expected to be subservient to a egotistical man’s publicity stunt. No thank you.
ChewtonRoad · 04/08/2021 08:48

No insults, no name calling, no threats, and not so much as a hint of dismissal of anyone else. Just nine seconds of silence and a polite refusal to engage with someone determined to stir the pot because he could.

Brava, you wonderful women.

ChateauMargaux · 04/08/2021 08:48

Great response..silence... water swig.. no thank you.

Onlinedilema · 04/08/2021 08:30

Excellent response.
Closed down the conversation straight away.
What a role model Emily is.
Great to see such strong determined women as role models.

Congressdingo · 04/08/2021 08:28

@rabbitwoman

That swig of water.

And she pulled the mike towards her so decisively.

It's like she knew something had to be said....

Look, I am in awe of that dignified little act of defiance, but the reality is that these young women are going to be quizzed again and again on what exactly they meant in the coming days. It is going to be poured over and analysed and debated - and they will be pushed and pressured into elaborating, we all know it.

And they may well be thinking, if Martina navratilova can lose work and sponsorship and funding then so can we. I would not blame them if they explained it all away at the next opportunity after some careful coaching, and we are disappointed with what they say.

But don't be. It really was very clear what they thought. And if they declare a very different view in the next few days, it will also be clear that they have been silenced.

The three of them will always be heroes.

Agree with you. In the days to come they may well all toe the line. But we know what they really think. That silence was awesome.
YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/08/2021 08:26

Fucking excellent.

Love the responses too.

Guineapigbridge · 04/08/2021 08:20

Glorious

DancesWithTortoises · 04/08/2021 08:15

Warms my heart.

Sophoclesthefox · 04/08/2021 08:13

Speak for yourself, cam, I’ve watched and talked about thousands of hours of Olympic sports and Olympians since I first watched the LA games in ‘84.

We may have talked about Hubbard a lot in the run up, but I don’t think it was an appropriate question in that moment, because the controversy was over - Hubbard had lost, had not registered a lift, and was by that point utterly irrelevant. The athletes on the podium hadn’t even had to beat Hubbard- Hubbard had choked or thrown the competition, and the press conference was about their victory, not Hubbards loss. It’s very galling that they were not permitted to celebrate and reflect on their achievements without this being dragged in again.

I think the response was a sublime mix of politeness, avoidance and rebellion, and I bloody love it ❤️

“No, thank you” 🤣

dudsville · 04/08/2021 08:12

@CharlieParley

I tend to favour the second explanation btw, because Hubbard has not managed more than 270kg in any competition in the women's. The world record of 335kg is held by Li Wenwen, who won the gold in this competition. Li Wenwen has been steadily improving since entering the adult competition in 2019, but even then she started by breaking the world record. Her worst result in major championships was 320kg. Which was this time (but that still set a new world record.

Hubbard has never lifted more than a combined total of 300kg, and that was as a junior. Hubbard's highest level prior to transitioning was Division 2 at college.

(The record in the men's weight category that corresponds to Hubbard's weight is a whopping 485kg.)

Hubbard left the sport in 2001. Took a 16 year break and re-entered in 2017. Thanks to now being middle-aged, the new personal best is 270kg, which is 65kg less than Li Wenwen's world record.

And Li Wenwen is a rock steady performer and has won all major championships she entered since she won a silver in her first major championship.

So Hubbard had no chance. Going into the competition, Emily Campbell (silver) and Sarah Robles (bronze) had higher personal bests than Hubbard achieved in the women's competition.

Next to no chance for a medal.

So here's a competitor, who in 2017 said in an interview

I'm mindful I won't be supported by everyone but I hope that people can keep an open mind and perhaps look at my performance in a broader context.

Doing that now, I conclude that a mediocre male with atrocious technique and no chance to even compete at national level in the men's, who enjoyed success in the women's, was faced with a competition that offered no chance for a medal (going into the Olympics, Hubbard was ranked fourth. And seventh in the world rankings).

By throwing the competition Hubbard could at least make a point: See, no danger from males in women's sports. I didn't even win.

Given what you've said here (thanks, I'm not sporty so would never have known all of this), amongst other things I hate it that Hubbard retires now will life long fame and as an icon.
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