Never thought I'd post on here but males on female hospital wards. Wtf

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You are insinuating that all men pose a threat and we should be threatened by their presence. We can’t incriminate all men.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t have individual wards for different sexes either, just that it doesn’t make me uncomfortable to share the same ward with the opposite sex.

Why is it always women expected to 'put up with it'? Put up and shut up- because it seems that in some NHS hospitals, you will be labelled a bigot and have treatment withdrawn.

I fail to believe that the 'majority' of medical staff in the NHS are unaware, with circa 1,164,729 staff under the NHS, i fail to believe over a Million people working within a medical field and unaware of political background regarding sex and gender identity.

NHS staff who are aware would be obliged to have whistleblown Safeguarding concerns. As the article by Anne Harper-Wright makes clear, the NHS identified known risks to using a gender marker and failing to maintain the integrity of the sex data on patients' records.

Perpetrating the lie that NHS accomodation is 'single sex' when it is not is a failure of Duty of Care. Patients deserve much better.

I was on a gynae ward for a double mastectomy and reconstruction so felt like I'd been hit by a bus.
The lady in the bed next to me had her 3 adult sons visiting several times a day and each time the nurse insisted on keeping my curtain open so she could see me.
While 3 adult males sat openly staring at me and asking "have you had your boobs done?"
It was awful.

”everyone has the right to be where they feel comfortable and safe”

What utter tosh. A 50-year-old bloke might feel comfortable on the children’s ward. A disturbed patient might feel comfortable on the roof. An addict may want to have a bed in the pharmacy.

There are rules for a reason. Individuals’ personal preferences should not get to trump common sense.

Sex crimes are committed 99% of the time by men. Violent crime is 90% of the time by men. Irrespective of how they identify. And irrespective of who their victims are, whether they are male or female.

A female ward is deemed safer, because it is populated by the half of the population who don't commit these crimes. If you start adding the people who do commit them, it not only makes it as unsafe as anywhere else, you are using vulnerable women as the means to do it and instantly increasing the risk to them.

And the other point is these aren't just random men. They are men who have gone out of their way to access the female ward.

I don't know how many times this has to be said, but women are not a bloody service.

Where do you put a trans women who fears men due to historic abuse? Do you put her in with men whilst she recieves her treatment and make her feel at risk so that other women can feel more at ease?

Where do you put a man who has been the victim of rape? A man who fears other men due to historic abuse? Do you put him in with men whilst he recieves his treatment and make him feel at risk? By your thinking, he should be put among women so that he feels safer!

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?pg=12

fail to believe that the 'majority' of medical staff in the NHS are unaware, with circa 1,164,729 staff under the NHS, i fail to believe over a Million people working within a medical field and unaware of political background regarding sex and gender identity.

Not to discredit whoever you are but that's just your opinion, isn't it?

This is something that needs to be repeated. Trans no longer means 'person who has gone through full sex reassignment surgery'. There is no medical requirement at all.

The euphemistic language of 'sex change' or 'sex reassignment surgery' used has played a significant role in justifying the inclusion of some male patients in female single-sex NHS accomodation.
There is no surgery that changes a person's sex and a male patient who has had breast augmentation and/or genital surgery presnts the same risk to female patients' privacy, dignity and safety as other male patients.
What is termed 'sex reassignment surgery' is often orchiectomy, an operation most often carried out on men who have testicular cancer. I assume that no-one would suggest that men being treated for that cancer type following surgery should be moved to female wards?

Sorry, to clarify. The "other women" are female. The male person is not.

It’s pretty awful in a setting where biology is the actual point of being there. If a nurse of doctor can’t tell the difference between male and female there’s no hope.

so that other women can feel more at ease?

They're not "other women", they are male. Where do you put other vulnerable males? Do they come on the women's ward too?

I guess my point sumarrised being - everyone has the right to be placed where they need the medical attention and where they feel comfrtable and safe.

Will there be exceptions to this rule? Of course, there is exception to every rule and there is no blanket way to ensure everyone is happy. As with anything in life

Awful isn't it

Sorry there's maple syrup on my phone screen

Utsbaqfuo isn't it op

There should be safguarding but there isnt because now safguarding is viewed as a personal attack and offensive. As opposed to basic common sense. Im a woman witg no convictions etc . I have no business being placed in a men's ward or on a children's ward. Other people aren't props In proving my sainthood to the world.

Sadly we can't even discuss this without being accused of allsorts and banished to the naughty corner.

All those who have no problem being on mixed wards are free to go surround themselves with men at any time they want should they so wish. They shouldn't use it as a yard stick as to why everyone ekse should be OK.with it.

[quote R0wantrees]Bexxe Have you read the articles by Anne Harper-Wright? The majority of medical staff in NHS are unaware of the political background and implications of conflating sex and gender identity:

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-bb86b0c3ebb[/quote]
Not to discredit whoever Anne Harper-Wright is, but data can be used in any context its wanted with correct wording.

I fail to believe that the 'majority' of medical staff in the NHS are unaware, with circa 1,164,729 staff under the NHS, i fail to believe over a Million people working within a medical field and unaware of political background regarding sex and gender identity.

It is not my intention to have a debate, i was simply offerring an alternative outlook to this conversation. With many people commenting on here being patients and (quite rightly) not knowing the struggles faced on a day to day operational basis just to ensure the hospital can remain in action. It really is not as simple as 'they shouldnt be together' - as mentioned above, how can anyone correctly adhere to everyones preferences when we are all so different?

Where do you put a trans women who fears men due to historic abuse? Do you put her in with men whilst she recieves her treatment and make her feel at risk so that other women can feel more at ease?
It many cases its a lose lose situation, with no-one being mroe entitled to feeling more comfortable at hospital than the other

wonder what happens if one objects to sharing with a male patient who looks to all I tents and purposes - male, but is identifying as a woman? Do you get labelled a bigot and get your treatment withdrawn for daring to assume that a bloke with a beard is a bloke?

In theory, yes as they are not allowed to be treated differently if they say the magic words. It's a massive exercise in gaslighting.

As Tara Hewitt makes clear, 'trans' is an umbrella term that includes men who cross dress for sexual pleasure.

This is something that needs to be repeated. Trans no longer means 'person who has gone through full sex reassignment surgery'. There is no medical requirement at all.

This means any male, trans identifying or not, can legitimately gain access to female spaces. And anyone who protests is a bigot.

And the “mixed wards” doesn’t really apply, as the transgender patients want to be on a female ward specifically.

I wonder what happens if one objects to sharing with a male patient who looks to all I tents and purposes - male, but is identifying as a woman? Do you get labelled a bigot and get your treatment withdrawn for daring to assume that a bloke with a beard is a bloke?

As you are no doubt aware, there are many boys and men who do not identify as 'trans' and have been abused/ sexually assaulted by men. Should they be placed in female single sex wards also?

You're willingness to share with anatomical males results in the rest of us being labelled bigots and criminalised for wanting simple safe guarding principles to be followed.

Quite. Perhaps have a think about this before being so keen to signal your cool girl credentials.

[quote Rosesareredd]@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind - I agree that if women don’t feel comfortable being on a mixed ward they should have a choice to be moved, however, as I’m comfortable with it, it wouldn’t be a problem for me.[/quote]
But, in this case, they wouldn't be on a mixed ward. They'd be on a female ward. With men. So where should they be moved to? Another "female" ward that accommodates male sex offenders? And can you explain why they be the ones to be moved from the female ward, rather than the male?

Whether you have a problem with it is totally irrelevant. Plenty of women do.

Discussing it now on Women's Hour.